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Old 11-16-2018, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Mary Barra. She actually lives in the Pacific Northwest and they are neighbors. She commutes to Detroit by private jet everyday and because of the time difference, it works out.
Lol That seems a little crazy especially when facts tell us differently below. Zerv beat me to it.
Bloomfield Hills has the third highest income for a municipality with over 1,000 households in the country and the highest income in the state of Michigan. 39% of owner-occupied homes had a value of over $1,000,000, and 32.1% with a value between $500,000 to $999,999.[20]

Barra is married to consultant Tony Barra, whom she met while studying at Kettering University, and has two children. The family lives in Northville, a suburb of Detroit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barra



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Old 11-16-2018, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Zerv02

All jokes aside, Mary Barra actually lived right behind me in the Bella vista subdivision in Northville.
That must have been a hell of a commute to the RenCen for her. I lived in Ann Arbor many moons ago.
Old 11-16-2018, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub Driver
Source?
He doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone,
Elegent’s track record speaks for its self.
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fasttoys



Bloomfield Hills has the third highest income for a municipality with over 1,000 households in the country and the highest income in the state of Michigan. 39% of owner-occupied homes had a value of over $1,000,000, and 32.1% with a value between $500,000 to $999,999.



No Walmart however so definitely not worth it.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub Driver
Source?
Those who have followed me on this forum for a month under 15 years, know that first I will never burn a source (in this case multiple ones), and second, know I speak the truth.

All can choose to believe me or not.

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Old 11-17-2018, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by elegant
As I posted just yesterday...

1) NO development problems are being experienced at this time.
2) Production of customer 2020 ME Corvettes
is going as originally scheduled;
3) It will stay on that track regardless of whether the reveal is Detroit in mid-January, or New York in mid-April.
4) If you can afford a 2019 medium-level Grand Sport, you can afford an entry 2020 ME Corvette.
4) At a minimum, pricing out a Grand Sport 2LT, auto trans (to approximately match the transmission type in the C8) and no other options, it would be a $73K base car. Maybe my next car won't be a Corvette after all.

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Old 11-17-2018, 01:01 AM
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No. The earth is ROUND, and vaccines actually do work. And ignorant stupidity is not a virtue.

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Old 11-17-2018, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael A
4) At a minimum, pricing out a Grand Sport 2LT, auto trans (to approximately match the transmission type in the C8) and no other options, it would be a $73K base car. Maybe my next car won't be a Corvette after all.
$20,000 just seems like a huge bump in price, for a base model. Unless GM just plans on completely distancing itself from the Camaro. Which I would say, making the Corvette an ME, does just that. But, $20,000 more, for a base. Wheew...
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Old 11-17-2018, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mre1974
The C8 doesn't even officially exist according to GM.
I read that all development and manufacturing is done @ Area 51

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Originally Posted by Dominic Sorresso
No. The earth is ROUND, and vaccines actually do work. And ignorant stupidity is not a virtue.

... Earth is round, vaccines work… Now you’re just talking crazy !

... and I am very virtuous. My mama said so... ; )
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Originally Posted by 1SG_Ret
I read that all development and manufacturing is done @ Area 51

The truth is out there...
Old 11-17-2018, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SG_Ret
I read that all development and manufacturing is done @ Area 51
Actually, that is where the front engine platform C8 is being developed since the ME is not the next generation of Corvette and something else.
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No, no, no, Area 51 is where they're training the alien test drivers for use in shattering the production car Nürburgring record.

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Old 11-17-2018, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by elegant
As I posted just yesterday...

1) NO development problems are being experienced at this time.
2) Production of customer 2020 ME Corvettes
is going as originally scheduled;
3) It will stay on that track regardless of whether the reveal is Detroit in mid-January, or New York in mid-April.
4) If you can afford a 2019 medium-level Grand Sport, you can afford an entry 2020 ME Corvette.
This makes complete sense to me. The nonsense about starting at $60k never did. So checking the Kerbeck site I see that the C7 base 1LT coupes can be bought at just below $50k and if you are willing (and foolish enough to finance through them for 72 months) about $47k. Now the current MSRP for a medium level GS (2LT) is roughly $77k, about $70k with discounts. I am not sure if #4 above was referring to the GS mid level MSRP or a discounted one.

So let's split the difference and say $73k was the price point referenced in #4. That would be the price for a base level, 1LT ME which is likely to be sold at a minimum of MSRP. So, subtracting the ME MSRP price of $73k from the real world C7 stripped coupe price of $49k yields a very significant delta of $24,000. That delta is significant and even a bit higher since your taxes will be higher also. At $24,000 plus, my guess is that this delta will exclude a significant portion of current C7 buyers. My '19 C7 M7 2LZ Z06 purchased from one of the big 3 for $77k is looking like a pretty good deal for the best and most highly developed of the last front/mid engine Z06 manual cars - which just pulled 589 rear wheel on the dyno. Pretty cool that in the latest Car & Drive One Lap Testing, a '15 Z06 is still in the top 5 cars they tested and the '19 ZR1 placed second. Not bad for the "ancient tech" C7s. The current price overlaps between C7 GS and Z06 to me, represents an incredible bargain for the Z car.

I have said before and still believe that the C8 pricing model will be very different from what the C7 model was if the C8 offers GS and the Z06/ZR1 models. IMO, the C8 "Z" models will be priced much higher percentage-wise from the base C8. Those cars may be the models that GM is alleged to be trying to capture international markets with and may well be at the price points ZERV02 mentions...

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Old 11-17-2018, 11:55 AM
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Reference numbers have never been based on things like the deep C7 discounts (15-20%) currently available at big forum dealers like Criswell, Kerbeck, and MacMulkin. The ME numbers thrown around here are MSRP-based. Multiple inside sources have used numbers like within approximately 10% of MSRP price of the current base car. Obviously, the word "approximate" leaves some wiggle room

I think what Elegant was saying is you can purchase a mid-level and deeply discounted GS today for about what the starting base MSRP ME car will be, according to multiple inside sources. A starting MSRP between $65-70K is the best educated guess. Pricing isn't locked in and probably won't be for months, but there are very strong indications that's the GM target.

Like Elegant, I will not burn my source either, and you can believe me or not. I don't care either way.

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Old 11-17-2018, 12:12 PM
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$70 to $80K for the base car makes total sense. If the new car is better in nearly every way to a C7 then it should carry a higher price tag to start. It the ME is the only Vette moving forward once the eventual discounting begins it's a "step up" car for a similar price range of a currently discounted C7 GS.
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Originally Posted by JDSKY
$70 to $80K for the base car makes total sense. If the new car is better in nearly every way to a C7 then it should carry a higher price tag to start. It the ME is the only Vette moving forward once the eventual discounting begins it's a "step up" car for a similar price range of a currently discounted C7 GS.
Every new car is better than the last one, and may see a price increase of a few percent, not 30%.

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Old 11-17-2018, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Reference numbers have never been based on things like the deep C7 discounts (15-20%) currently available at big forum dealers like Criswell, Kerbeck, and MacMulkin. The ME numbers thrown around here are MSRP-based. Multiple inside sources have used numbers like within approximately 10% of MSRP price of the current base car. Obviously, the word "approximate" leaves some wiggle room

I think what Elegant was saying is you can purchase a mid-level and deeply discounted GS today for about what the starting base MSRP ME car will be, according to multiple inside sources. A starting MSRP between $65-70K is the best educated guess. Pricing isn't locked in and probably won't be for months, but there are very strong indications that's the GM target.

Like Elegant, I will not burn my source either, and you can believe me or not. I don't care either way.
I was just about to post the same comment about not using Grand Sport MSRP as the comparison, but rather the typical discounted actual selling price. If you can afford today's discounted medium level Grand Sport, you'll be able to afford the entry level ME (at MSRP).
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael A
Every new car is better than the last one, and may see a price increase of a few percent, not 30%.
Yes, every new car can be and should be better in ways than the previous one. While pricing is a definite hot button it seems a majority do agree that moving to a ME design will in fact take the car to another level in absolute capability. This is elevating the platform entirely not just making it better in the same ways that a C7 is better than a C6 is better than a C5........ Depending on how much "better" this makes the C8 then a 30% increase in base price would not be unreasonable at all.
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I am certain the base price will not be 30% higher based upon MSRP prices. That would be a ridiculous risk for GM to take. There's nothing inherently more expensive in building a mid-engine car, if it's produced in the traditional Corvette numbers.

Obviously, after a year or so, the ME will start seeing traditional Corvette deep discounts as well.

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