Has The C8 Been Cancelled? I mean.....
#21
Melting Slicks
Bloomfield Hills has the third highest income for a municipality with over 1,000 households in the country and the highest income in the state of Michigan. 39% of owner-occupied homes had a value of over $1,000,000, and 32.1% with a value between $500,000 to $999,999.[20]
Barra is married to consultant Tony Barra, whom she met while studying at Kettering University, and has two children. The family lives in Northville, a suburb of Detroit.
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#26
Le Mans Master
As I posted just yesterday...
1) NO development problems are being experienced at this time.
2) Production of customer 2020 ME Corvettes is going as originally scheduled;
3) It will stay on that track regardless of whether the reveal is Detroit in mid-January, or New York in mid-April.
4) If you can afford a 2019 medium-level Grand Sport, you can afford an entry 2020 ME Corvette.
1) NO development problems are being experienced at this time.
2) Production of customer 2020 ME Corvettes is going as originally scheduled;
3) It will stay on that track regardless of whether the reveal is Detroit in mid-January, or New York in mid-April.
4) If you can afford a 2019 medium-level Grand Sport, you can afford an entry 2020 ME Corvette.
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#28
Pro
$20,000 just seems like a huge bump in price, for a base model. Unless GM just plans on completely distancing itself from the Camaro. Which I would say, making the Corvette an ME, does just that. But, $20,000 more, for a base. Wheew...
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No, no, no, Area 51 is where they're training the alien test drivers for use in shattering the production car Nürburgring record.
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#34
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As I posted just yesterday...
1) NO development problems are being experienced at this time.
2) Production of customer 2020 ME Corvettes is going as originally scheduled;
3) It will stay on that track regardless of whether the reveal is Detroit in mid-January, or New York in mid-April.
4) If you can afford a 2019 medium-level Grand Sport, you can afford an entry 2020 ME Corvette.
1) NO development problems are being experienced at this time.
2) Production of customer 2020 ME Corvettes is going as originally scheduled;
3) It will stay on that track regardless of whether the reveal is Detroit in mid-January, or New York in mid-April.
4) If you can afford a 2019 medium-level Grand Sport, you can afford an entry 2020 ME Corvette.
So let's split the difference and say $73k was the price point referenced in #4. That would be the price for a base level, 1LT ME which is likely to be sold at a minimum of MSRP. So, subtracting the ME MSRP price of $73k from the real world C7 stripped coupe price of $49k yields a very significant delta of $24,000. That delta is significant and even a bit higher since your taxes will be higher also. At $24,000 plus, my guess is that this delta will exclude a significant portion of current C7 buyers. My '19 C7 M7 2LZ Z06 purchased from one of the big 3 for $77k is looking like a pretty good deal for the best and most highly developed of the last front/mid engine Z06 manual cars - which just pulled 589 rear wheel on the dyno. Pretty cool that in the latest Car & Drive One Lap Testing, a '15 Z06 is still in the top 5 cars they tested and the '19 ZR1 placed second. Not bad for the "ancient tech" C7s. The current price overlaps between C7 GS and Z06 to me, represents an incredible bargain for the Z car.
I have said before and still believe that the C8 pricing model will be very different from what the C7 model was if the C8 offers GS and the Z06/ZR1 models. IMO, the C8 "Z" models will be priced much higher percentage-wise from the base C8. Those cars may be the models that GM is alleged to be trying to capture international markets with and may well be at the price points ZERV02 mentions...
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Reference numbers have never been based on things like the deep C7 discounts (15-20%) currently available at big forum dealers like Criswell, Kerbeck, and MacMulkin. The ME numbers thrown around here are MSRP-based. Multiple inside sources have used numbers like within approximately 10% of MSRP price of the current base car. Obviously, the word "approximate" leaves some wiggle room
I think what Elegant was saying is you can purchase a mid-level and deeply discounted GS today for about what the starting base MSRP ME car will be, according to multiple inside sources. A starting MSRP between $65-70K is the best educated guess. Pricing isn't locked in and probably won't be for months, but there are very strong indications that's the GM target.
Like Elegant, I will not burn my source either, and you can believe me or not. I don't care either way.
I think what Elegant was saying is you can purchase a mid-level and deeply discounted GS today for about what the starting base MSRP ME car will be, according to multiple inside sources. A starting MSRP between $65-70K is the best educated guess. Pricing isn't locked in and probably won't be for months, but there are very strong indications that's the GM target.
Like Elegant, I will not burn my source either, and you can believe me or not. I don't care either way.
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#36
Melting Slicks
$70 to $80K for the base car makes total sense. If the new car is better in nearly every way to a C7 then it should carry a higher price tag to start. It the ME is the only Vette moving forward once the eventual discounting begins it's a "step up" car for a similar price range of a currently discounted C7 GS.
#37
Le Mans Master
$70 to $80K for the base car makes total sense. If the new car is better in nearly every way to a C7 then it should carry a higher price tag to start. It the ME is the only Vette moving forward once the eventual discounting begins it's a "step up" car for a similar price range of a currently discounted C7 GS.
#38
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Reference numbers have never been based on things like the deep C7 discounts (15-20%) currently available at big forum dealers like Criswell, Kerbeck, and MacMulkin. The ME numbers thrown around here are MSRP-based. Multiple inside sources have used numbers like within approximately 10% of MSRP price of the current base car. Obviously, the word "approximate" leaves some wiggle room
I think what Elegant was saying is you can purchase a mid-level and deeply discounted GS today for about what the starting base MSRP ME car will be, according to multiple inside sources. A starting MSRP between $65-70K is the best educated guess. Pricing isn't locked in and probably won't be for months, but there are very strong indications that's the GM target.
Like Elegant, I will not burn my source either, and you can believe me or not. I don't care either way.
I think what Elegant was saying is you can purchase a mid-level and deeply discounted GS today for about what the starting base MSRP ME car will be, according to multiple inside sources. A starting MSRP between $65-70K is the best educated guess. Pricing isn't locked in and probably won't be for months, but there are very strong indications that's the GM target.
Like Elegant, I will not burn my source either, and you can believe me or not. I don't care either way.
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#39
Melting Slicks
Yes, every new car can be and should be better in ways than the previous one. While pricing is a definite hot button it seems a majority do agree that moving to a ME design will in fact take the car to another level in absolute capability. This is elevating the platform entirely not just making it better in the same ways that a C7 is better than a C6 is better than a C5........ Depending on how much "better" this makes the C8 then a 30% increase in base price would not be unreasonable at all.
#40
I am certain the base price will not be 30% higher based upon MSRP prices. That would be a ridiculous risk for GM to take. There's nothing inherently more expensive in building a mid-engine car, if it's produced in the traditional Corvette numbers.
Obviously, after a year or so, the ME will start seeing traditional Corvette deep discounts as well.
Obviously, after a year or so, the ME will start seeing traditional Corvette deep discounts as well.
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