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Old 12-01-2018, 05:01 PM
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In 2010 GM should have gotten rid of Buick and kept Pontiac. Cadillac is dying a slow death their products are way overpriced. Many of their repeat buyers have either died or gone to Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes.
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Corvette ED View Post
In 2010 GM should have gotten rid of Buick and kept Pontiac. Cadillac is dying a slow death their products are way overpriced. Many of their repeat buyers have either died or gone to Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes.
Agree w. all 3 sentences. Only addition I'd make is several makes lost sales with the advent of Lex in '89 and it's been that way ever since. Cad has tried all kinds of things including edgy design, so after awhile I gotta agree: it's price vs. what you get for the price. And sales of Cads prove it isn't adding up for buyers. Gotta say that goes for Buick, too, but no edgy for them---just not enough sales.
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Old 12-02-2018, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LawrenceFromTorrance View Post
I know this is not the current situation for GM but in the near future many more factory job will disappear due to artificial intelligence and robotics. The car companies that will do the best will probably have the most AI and robots which says that the unskilled labor force will have more and more unemployment. These are the people that will be voting for socialism because socialism is more or less a free handouts to unskilled people. Once socialism becomes a reality the incentive to get a skill and/or an education will disappear for the majority of young people (why even work if life possible without any effort) . The world is changing very fast right now and we need to think how to solve many problems that are becoming more and more obvious. Man has always been a predator faced with doing to survive I don't want us to become herbivores and just feed on the handouts.

Wow, I really I really did go off didn't I
REALLY??? I thought we weren't supposed to bring POLITICS into the Forum???
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Old 12-02-2018, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dreamr616 View Post
I think Cadillac is getting ready to introduce a new sedan (CT4) to replace the ATS and CTS early next year. But with both the XTS and CT6 getting canned that will only leave them one sedan to market. I understand Cadillac is also working on a smaller SUV (XT3) as well. Doesn't look like they'll have a sedan in the bigger luxury segment, at least in the near future. I'm surprised they decided to dump the CT6 because that was just introduce a couple of years ago.
I hope not because Cadillac is coming out in '19 with a CT6-V with twin turbo 550 hp and 640 (I think) torque! The front and rear ends are also being redesigned which are just short of gorgeous. Then in 2020 they are coming out with the Escala which is one beautiful car! Check out the dash board on the Escala-just beautiful! Please say it ain't so.....

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Old 12-02-2018, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AORoads View Post
27% of capacity for BG is close to 1/4 of full output. It IS winter for half the country, but still....that might idle 25%.

I'm not sure the LMC person is correct re platforms. It seems more to do with very large corporations being able to turn quickly, or eliminate products and whole product lines swiftly. This has to factor in human resource management, i.e., layoffs, continuing salaries/wages/benefits, cost of idling all or partial physical plant and then restart costs, etc. These are the (relatively) good times for the U.S. and some believe it's better to act now than wait for the worst of times.
"LMC" is a consulting firm, they know NOTHING. They (LMC) say that BGA's capacity is 74,000 units a year....and the 27% number is based on this.
BGA capacity is now set at 33,000 units, so it is actually operating at 60.5%

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Old 12-02-2018, 12:19 PM
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REALLY??? I thought we weren't supposed to bring POLITICS into the Forum???
Socialism is a form of government like democracy I wasn't taking about political parties. I didn't see this as a political opinion more like a discussion on an atom bomb not an atomic war. It's so hard to talk these days there are perfectly good words that one can be condemned for using. Since I can't use the word socialism does that mean I can't use the word democracy? My subject was related to the theme of this thread (plants shutting down workers out of a job, robotics and the future consequences on society) if that's politics then this whole thread should be shut down.
I do think this thread is worth an open discussion with open minds.

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Old 12-02-2018, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom73 View Post
No one bothers to define the terms we are using. What is “capacity”? And is that different from maximum capacity?

i would that that a plants capacity is the maximum that it is capable of producing. That would be three shifts a day, seven days a week (with some break time for maintenance). So if one shift is producing 33 - 35,000 units, then max capacity would be around 100,000 units. No way the Vette will ever sell that many. If you figure 100k as capacity then I would agree that they are at 27% of capacity.
Exactly right. There is theoretical max capacity based upon 24/7/365, and there is actual practical capacity, which factors in down-time due to maintenance and equipment replacement. Statisticians calculating capacity aren't typically concerning themselves with variables like practical capacity or the laws of supply and demand.

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Socialism is a form of government like democracy I wasn't taking about political parties. I didn't see this as a political opinion more like a discussion on an atom bomb not an atomic war. It's so hard to talk these days there are perfectly good words that one can be condemned for using. Since I can't use the word socialism does that mean I can't use the word democracy? My subject was related to the theme of this thread (plants shutting down workers out of a job, robotics and the future consequences on society) if that's politics then this whole thread should be shut down.
I do think this thread is worth an open discussion with open minds.
Your commentary above has no place in this discussion. The forum provides an OFF TOPIC section for this kind of commentary, which those of us interested exclusively in car discussions studiously avoid. There's more than enough of that kind of noise everywhere else, and we come here, in part, to get away from that.

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Old 12-02-2018, 04:32 PM
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GM really needs to use the plants 24/7,,they need to build 2-3 different cars on the same lines,
maybe built 1 car for 1 month and an other for the next month,they could figure out to use it somehow
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh View Post
Exactly right. There is theoretical max capacity based upon 24/7/365, and there is actual practical capacity, which factors in down-time due to maintenance and equipment replacement. Statisticians calculating capacity aren't typically concerning themselves with variables like practical capacity or the laws of supply and demand.



Your commentary above has no place in this discussion. The forum provides an OFF TOPIC section for this kind of commentary, which those of us interested exclusively in car discussions studiously avoid. There's more than enough of that kind of noise everywhere else, and we come here, in part, to get away from that.
So you can have your opinion but I can't have mine? I think your breaking your own rule. My comments were on topic your criticism is not!
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