Mid Engine Key leaked *New*
11-29-2018, 11:29 AM
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11-29-2018, 11:41 AM
#62
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They wouldn't have submitted this to the FCC unless it was representative of the final part. They haven't started building CTF vehicles either. CTF cars are regular, albeit early, normal production cars. The cars we're seeing now are IVERs. They're largely hand built and can never, ever be sold.
The IVERs are hand built at the Tech Center in Warren (at the PPO facility) and they were some of the first photos we saw of the C8 prototype. GM are long past the IVER phase.
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11-29-2018, 12:16 PM
#63
It's about attention to details and it matters to a lot of people. The key FOB of a car is actually like a jewelry accessory and if it wasn't that important then many of the high-end brands would not spend so much in creating a substantial piece. Sure some are still using bland FOB's but look at some of the nicer ones and you'll know.
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11-29-2018, 12:18 PM
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I still don't see the pent-up demand in the Cadillac customer base for a high-performance coupe. The XLR was a sales failure, along with the Allante before that in the early 90's. Last decent coupe seller was the Eldorado, much more luxury than sporty. Cadillac buyers want big Escalades. I'm hoping I'm wrong because I want Cadillac to be successful, but history is not in Cadillac's favor on this one.
11-29-2018, 12:49 PM
#65
Isn't it amazing that those that were responsible in assembly of these vehicles are not leaking or haven't leaked greater details of the cars? I mean the White House has more leakers than GM!!! How is this possible?
11-29-2018, 12:59 PM
#66
My manufacturing team won't see anything on a new product until a few weeks before production is ready. Development is often completely invisible to most other parts of the company.
If I wanted to keep a new product secret until I wanted to release it, I could ensure that no more than 5 people see the product. Of course, I'm not building cars so the minimum size of a team involved in designing a car is necessarily going to be much larger than that.
It's conceivable that less than 100 people have seen this car either in rendered format or in person in final form.
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11-29-2018, 06:30 PM
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I personally believe that every employee at the Bowling Green Assembly Plant has seen the car. That's a lot more than 100. 
11-29-2018, 06:44 PM
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Exactly Jag; and not just BGA employees but also top “tier one” suppliers, and some other individuals.
They have made a bunch of ME’s at BG, including the four that went to the N’Ring. It takes a lot of individuals to make a car — especialy when they are testing (thankfully successfully), that the ME’s assembly would work well at BGA.
They have made a bunch of ME’s at BG, including the four that went to the N’Ring. It takes a lot of individuals to make a car — especialy when they are testing (thankfully successfully), that the ME’s assembly would work well at BGA.
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11-29-2018, 08:24 PM
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Exactly Jag; and not just BGA employees but also top “tier one” suppliers, and some other individuals.
They have made a bunch of ME’s at BG, including the four that went to the N’Ring. It takes a lot of individuals to make a car — especialy when they are testing (thankfully successfully), that the ME’s assembly would work well at BGA.
They have made a bunch of ME’s at BG, including the four that went to the N’Ring. It takes a lot of individuals to make a car — especialy when they are testing (thankfully successfully), that the ME’s assembly would work well at BGA.
Then again for all we know they're building them on the line right now and hiding them in the back closet and everyone has seen it that works there. Really who knows lol. It'd be pretty cool if GM were actually that tight on production. But I'm going to have to agree with you, a lot of people at this point have probably seen it and know. Not every detail as it may have some tweaks but looking at it, I'd say its >80% there at a minimum.
11-29-2018, 08:34 PM
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Don't think either the Lambo or Audi fobs look any better than my C7 Z06 fob to be honest. In fact, they look terrible for cars like that.
11-29-2018, 08:41 PM
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^^^^ Cars like what? A Corvette sits above most Audi's.....Lambo is a different story.
11-29-2018, 09:30 PM
#72
Drifting
Elegant is correct, this is typical of new vehicle launches. The assembly plant needs to build to near production conditions, The OEM engineers and tier one suppliers need to support the builds and respond to any issues. A heck of a lot of people have seen the C8. The vast majority of them can keep their mouth shut.
Exactly Jag; and not just BGA employees but also top “tier one” suppliers, and some other individuals.
They have made a bunch of ME’s at BG, including the four that went to the N’Ring. It takes a lot of individuals to make a car — especialy when they are testing (thankfully successfully), that the ME’s assembly would work well at BGA.
They have made a bunch of ME’s at BG, including the four that went to the N’Ring. It takes a lot of individuals to make a car — especialy when they are testing (thankfully successfully), that the ME’s assembly would work well at BGA.
11-29-2018, 09:39 PM
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I don't think sales were bad for the XLR because it had a Cadillac badge, I think it because (aside from the V version) the XLR was a worse Corvette with a high price tag. If they deliver a Cadillac that puts down similar performance to the Corvette so you don't feel like you're paying more for less it might sway a few high end buyers.
The car ran perfectly for years.
It had only one problem: everything in the cabin squeaked when being driven...incredibly irritating.
11-29-2018, 09:56 PM
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Yes and no. It doesn't necessarily mean everyone that works there knows. Small groups in off time building them scattered would work too. If I had to guess theres 50 rolling around and they built ~200 test cars. Speculation on my part says they chose who built them and know the names of everyone and what they did that way if anything slips that isn't a controlled leak they know. But yes. Manufacturers and suppliers know they are building a front clip or door panel for unnamed GM test mule #27 with revision 3 or whatever. The people who have seen the real deal are both trusted and well known and probably don't want to risk their job.
Then again for all we know they're building them on the line right now and hiding them in the back closet and everyone has seen it that works there. Really who knows lol. It'd be pretty cool if GM were actually that tight on production. But I'm going to have to agree with you, a lot of people at this point have probably seen it and know. Not every detail as it may have some tweaks but looking at it, I'd say its >80% there at a minimum.
Then again for all we know they're building them on the line right now and hiding them in the back closet and everyone has seen it that works there. Really who knows lol. It'd be pretty cool if GM were actually that tight on production. But I'm going to have to agree with you, a lot of people at this point have probably seen it and know. Not every detail as it may have some tweaks but looking at it, I'd say its >80% there at a minimum.
11-29-2018, 10:03 PM
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Did the 2005 Corvette interiors squeak? Was it the retractable roof?
11-29-2018, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveFerrari458
It's about attention to details and it matters to a lot of people. The key FOB of a car is actually like a jewelry accessory and if it wasn't that important then many of the high-end brands would not spend so much in creating a substantial piece. Sure some are still using bland FOB's but look at some of the nicer ones and you'll know.
11-29-2018, 10:14 PM
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11-29-2018, 10:21 PM
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That has been a staple on other GM remotes recently. You.push the button and pull on the bottom ring to pull off the lower chrome wrap. The bottom has a physical key attached and exposed when pulled apart. It is used to get into the car if the remote battery is dead or car battery is dead.
Also I recently and unfortunately found out that this.unlocks the spare tire lock on the Escalade. Dang screws.
Also I recently and unfortunately found out that this.unlocks the spare tire lock on the Escalade. Dang screws.
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11-29-2018, 11:51 PM
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11-30-2018, 12:06 AM
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^^^ True