Key Fob leaks and solid steel rotors are enough proof for me.... prove me wrong.
11-30-2018, 10:30 AM
#21
very good point! I also noticed the backing plate on the corvette fob looked 3D printed..... that caddy fob though is definitely past prototype stage.... it is premolded to receive the caddy logo.... and when turned over it clearly shows the mid engine car. They may possibly be using this same fob for future caddy cars though but wouldn’t have those front icons.
11-30-2018, 10:43 AM
#22
Pro
Thread Starter
Current CT6 and most other caddy fob.... it could definitely (and most likely) be the next generation caddy fob..... but why go through the process of putting the mid engine buttons in a future caddy only fob.... all valid points though!
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RapidC84B (11-30-2018)
11-30-2018, 10:43 AM
#23
Race Director
Brakes can be replaced in a couple hours so they are not conclusive of anything. There a many reasons why the final brake set might not be mounted. One is that they are simply not ready yet. Another is that they were not testing the brakes; only the suspension was being evaluated with the aero. But the reason you are wrong is that the ME will not sell more than 40K units annually and will likely average 25K over the first 5 years. Corvette/GM did not invest hundreds of millions of dollars into BGA to make such a miniscule number of vehicles because the losses would be prohibitive. Corvette must have a profitable business case or call it a day.
11-30-2018, 10:50 AM
#24
Melting Slicks
Actually, there are precisely ZERO reasons to test a CTF car on a racetrack with anything other than the production brake package. The brakes are such an important part of the handling package such as ABS and stability control that even besides the fact it would make no sense to design and manufacture a brake package outside of the production specification the testing done would be essentially useless without the production brake package.
11-30-2018, 10:54 AM
#25
Melting Slicks
I would like to see a refreshed C7 Grand Sport with the Blackwing and 10 speed auto or 7 speed manual, plus heated steering wheel, blind spot monitor, etc. All for under $70K.
Also, I would like to see a Corvette SUV similar to the Lambo Urus. Am I dreaming?
11-30-2018, 11:23 AM
#26
Melting Slicks
Car isn't even released and you already know exactly what it will look like, how it will handle, exactly what transmission options there will be and how much cargo room it has? One hell of a magic 8 ball you have there.
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Steven Beaver (11-30-2018)
11-30-2018, 11:27 AM
#27
Race Director
Not for me. The ME is interesting, but hardly compelling given the styling and tricky handling, not to mention no manual or cargo space.
I would like to see a refreshed C7 Grand Sport with the Blackwing and 10 speed auto or 7 speed manual, plus heated steering wheel, blind spot monitor, etc. All for under $70K.
Also, I would like to see a Corvette SUV similar to the Lambo Urus. Am I dreaming?
I would like to see a refreshed C7 Grand Sport with the Blackwing and 10 speed auto or 7 speed manual, plus heated steering wheel, blind spot monitor, etc. All for under $70K.
Also, I would like to see a Corvette SUV similar to the Lambo Urus. Am I dreaming?
11-30-2018, 11:28 AM
#28
11-30-2018, 11:35 AM
#30
Pro
11-30-2018, 11:38 AM
#31
Melting Slicks
At best it will look like the renders we have here, which are good but not must have. Mid engine cars handle very differently from FE because of physics. Manual transmissions are not worth it to auto makers. Cargo space is not a priority for ME cars. You seem to have a problem with logical thinking.
11-30-2018, 11:40 AM
#32
Pro
At best it will look like the renders we have here, which are good but not must have. Mid engine cars handle very differently from FE because of physics. Manual transmissions are not worth it to auto makers. Cargo space is not a priority for ME cars. You seem to have a problem with logical thinking.
11-30-2018, 12:21 PM
#35
IF the car in question was unwrapped (meaning all aero and airflow is production), THEN I would agree with everything you said. But, given the cars were still heavily wrapped, there are several possible reasons to test without the production brakes. Number 1 is simply internet buzz. Another is baselining the suspension (ride as much as anything else). Another is baselining things like the transmission, or steering, or... literally hundreds of things.
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RapidC84B (11-30-2018)
11-30-2018, 01:08 PM
#36
The vast majority of those "literally hundreds of things" are tied into the braking system, including the suspension, including ride, including steering. These are CTF cars, not IVERS. They're not testing to see how systems work from a design side anymore that was complete probably close to a year ago. They're making small tweaks to programming the chassis control systems and making sure the car is manufacturable. The production version of everything else on the car was used on those Nurburgring test cars, it is completely unrealistic to think anything but the production version of the brake rotors were used too.
11-30-2018, 02:00 PM
#37
Melting Slicks
At best it will look like the renders we have here, which are good but not must have. Mid engine cars handle very differently from FE because of physics. Manual transmissions are not worth it to auto makers. Cargo space is not a priority for ME cars. You seem to have a problem with logical thinking.
Mid engine cars do handle differently, but that does not equal "tricky handling". But hey, if one ME car is "tricky", they all must be huh? Note that isn't what ANYONE in the industry says, but hey, you know the truth huh?
It's highly unlikely we will see a true manual, but again, we don't KNOW anything, do we? Oh wait, your magic 8 ball....
Cargo space may or may not be a priority. As much bitching about it as we see from a segment here, surely GM also realizes that a total lack of space is a bad idea. But again, we don't KNOW what it will or will not be able to carry, except from you with your magic 8 ball.
And I have the problem with logical thought? Based on what? Things we don't KNOW? Basing what you BELIEVE will be based on nothing but rumor and guessing is not logical. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
11-30-2018, 02:03 PM
#38
Melting Slicks
The vast majority of those "literally hundreds of things" are tied into the braking system, including the suspension, including ride, including steering. These are CTF cars, not IVERS. They're not testing to see how systems work from a design side anymore that was complete probably close to a year ago. They're making small tweaks to programming the chassis control systems and making sure the car is manufacturable. The production version of everything else on the car was used on those Nurburgring test cars, it is completely unrealistic to think anything but the production version of the brake rotors were used too.
11-30-2018, 02:15 PM
#40
Advanced
Cargo space is not usually a priority for sports cars in general, yet the Corvette still found room for it. Sports cars generally don't use leaf spring, the Corvette does. The Corvette breaks a lot of trends so trying to apply logic based on other ME cars may not be all that logical.
