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Old 12-07-2018, 02:09 PM
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GM has great engines and great engineers. But, with everything done the first time, there are bugs to work out.

They have had decades to tinker with the front engine V8 layout, but this is going to give GM some new and different problems to solve.

I believe in GM, but am somewhat worried that this first attempt at this layout will end up with some lurking mechanical gremlins popping up down the road .

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Overheating.Hopefully they have learned their lessons!
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Orange peel, bent rims, and major software updates.

Oh, you said mechanical. OK:
Suspension, engine, and DCT - that should cover it.

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GM has great engines and great engineers. But, with everything done the first time, there are bugs to work out.

They have had decades to tinker with the front engine V8 layout, but this is going to give GM some new and different problems to solve.

I believe in GM, but am somewhat worried that this first attempt at this layout will end up with some lurking mechanical gremlins popping up down the road .
Nothing major. The use of modern CAD, especially in the past 5 years, is a far cry from what auto manufactures used before. GM just renewed it's contract with Siemens, whose product-design software is called NX and is just about flawless. Chrysler Group and Daimler AG announced they were switching to NX for future vehicle designs. Both had used Dassault's CATIA product-design software for more than two decades. The usual production issues will occur. DB bought Chrysler because of their use of CATIA. The C8 will set standards for the auto industry because of that and the advancement in material science.
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Hopefully dropped valves are a thing of the past.
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Oh, for heaven's sake. We really are scraping the bottom of the speculation barrel now.

However, Shaka speaks the truth. Modern CAD design tools have pretty much eliminated introductory surprises, which is why it is no longer true that first MY vehicles should be avoided.

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Oh, for heaven's sake. We really are scraping the bottom of the speculation barrel now.
Only a few more months left of it.
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Originally Posted by ShagVette View Post
Only a few more months left of it.
You can bet the usual complainers will have problems with a lot of stuff well after the first ME rolls off the line.
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The DCT transmission would be the first to come to mind. I expect the LT1 engine ME to be the most reliable, but I think the excitement is with the 4.2 and 5.5 which will have their own list of kinks to work out. Turbo engines in general will have a higher chance of things going wrong as there are more related parts.

For those that already have a C7 LT1, I don't see it as a big upgrade to buy the initial ME offering other than it's a new ME car. I would wait until the new engine versions come out but wait at least 2 years into it to see how it's working out.
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GM will get the vast majority of it right.

Drag racers who go for max 60' and tune out things like torque management will cause the DCT to be a high touch and expensive item to maintain.

It will be interesting to see if GM limits its use or voids warrantees for using launch control regularly. Other manufacturers do this due to the delicate nature of the clutches.
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Originally Posted by Docbrock View Post
GM has great engines and great engineers. But, with everything done the first time, there are bugs to work out.

They have had decades to tinker with the front engine V8 layout, but this is going to give GM some new and different problems to solve.

I believe in GM, but am somewhat worried that this first attempt at this layout will end up with some lurking mechanical gremlins popping up down the road .
The C8 ME is a great move for the high performance vehicle franchise.
This one really needs to be done exceptionally well. Hopefully, GM gets it right “out the gate”.
And they know the necessity for “get it right” more than we do!

Corvette engineers and faithful have “dreamed of” the ME for a very long time.
I certainly hope “dreams come true”!

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Originally Posted by NY09C6 View Post
GM will get the vast majority of it right.

Drag racers who go for max 60' and tune out things like torque management will cause the DCT to be a high touch and expensive item to maintain.

It will be interesting to see if GM limits its use or voids warrantees for using launch control regularly. Other manufacturers do this due to the delicate nature of the clutches.
No problem for Golf R owners. Perhaps it's just the Tremec ones that are delicate? Any evidence for this assertion?

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Originally Posted by Shaka View Post
Nothing major. The use of modern CAD, especially in the past 5 years, is a far cry from what auto manufactures used before. GM just renewed it's contract with Siemens, whose product-design software is called NX and is just about flawless. Chrysler Group and Daimler AG announced they were switching to NX for future vehicle designs. Both had used Dassault's CATIA product-design software for more than two decades. The usual production issues will occur. DB bought Chrysler because of their use of CATIA. The C8 will set standards for the auto industry because of that and the advancement in material science.

While it's not a 100% of all units produced problem, was the NX software used with the A8 transmission? Or was that earlier? Was it then used to solve the problem of some A8's ?
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Another inane thread. Since you're so concerned, please do not buy the car...or at least wait until year five.
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If tested why would there be major problems? anyway under warranty. I doubt the average Corvette driver would abuse an expensive car.
My problem can only make one purchase and the C8 is just around the corner. Will wait it out likely, unless the C7 has attractive pricing.
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Originally Posted by Bikerjulio
No problem for Golf R owners. Perhaps it's just the Tremec ones that are delicate? Any evidence for this assertion?
A golf a really?

Isn't that just one step above a Vespa torque wise?

And yes there is evidence. Google for the manufactures that limit the number of launch controls allowed, or those who void the warrantee for using it.

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Another inane thread. Since you're so concerned, please do not buy the car...or at least wait until year five.
Thanks for your pleasant response.
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Another inane thread. Since you're so concerned, please do not buy the car...or at least wait until year five.

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Originally Posted by Glenmcp View Post
You can bet the usual complainers will have problems with a lot of stuff well after the first ME rolls off the line.
If it was like the c7... "My car was delivered with the coolant 2mm below the 'Full' line.... Can anyone recommend a good lemon law atttorney?"
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Originally Posted by Docbrock View Post
GM has great engines and great engineers. But, with everything done the first time, there are bugs to work out.

They have had decades to tinker with the front engine V8 layout, but this is going to give GM some new and different problems to solve.

I believe in GM, but am somewhat worried that this first attempt at this layout will end up with some lurking mechanical gremlins popping up down the road .
Are you old enough to remember the Pontiac Fiero, Chevrolet Corvair.....rear/mid engine is not new. How about the Ford Pantera
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