GM Authority: C8 Delayed 6 Months Over Electrical Issue
12-16-2018, 02:36 PM
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12-16-2018, 02:36 PM
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I think that eith the C8, we will see our first $200K Corvette. If the C8 ZR1 has a TT V8, DCT, and hybrid system I definitely see it costing around $170K. The C7 ZR1 already starts at $120K, and the 3ZR ZTK pushes $150K. So, it would make sense that a top model C8 ZR1 fully loaded could hit $200K. And it would be a hell of a a bargain, as usual.
Can you not read your own "$200,000.00" posts!? 
12-16-2018, 03:05 PM
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12-16-2018, 04:53 PM
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A Note: Both of my Mercs have this start stop system. And after a year, both systems quit working without me doing anything at all. I think there is a special/second battery that has "lost its charge".
12-16-2018, 05:56 PM
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12-16-2018, 06:07 PM
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are you serious? Read what you said. Almost ALL C7 owners are old Gucci bag wearing women and bald ball cap wearing guys. Ive been a Corvette owner of some type for 20 years and I can tell you they are one of the tackiest owners on the planet. GM already markets Corvette garbage bags and caps online and in dealerships.
So other than EXAGERATION and GENERALIZTATION, what are your thoughts about the supposed electrical issues of the C8?
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12-16-2018, 06:14 PM
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Not sure why you feel the need to keep posting your opinion on this multiple times.
Also, you're posting this in a delayed electrical issue thread, not the price thread where it belongs. You just wrote in another thread trying to correct someone else "Really wish people would pay attention to the forum before trying to contribute. Between that, and people posting in the wrong sections despite them being clearly labelled, it can get frustrating."
Also, you're posting this in a delayed electrical issue thread, not the price thread where it belongs. You just wrote in another thread trying to correct someone else "Really wish people would pay attention to the forum before trying to contribute. Between that, and people posting in the wrong sections despite them being clearly labelled, it can get frustrating."
And all of them post all of the time so as to not lose ground to the other 4.
To your point, it is OK for one of the self appointed 5 to HIJACK a thread (as they do continually), but for the rest of us, we probably need to keep our mouths shut and just bask in the glory of the Fab Five's REALLY GOOD GUESSES.
12-16-2018, 07:07 PM
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12-16-2018, 07:15 PM
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12-16-2018, 07:26 PM
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+1. The extent of an issue or the complexity of a fix isn't always evident at first
12-16-2018, 07:59 PM
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Whatever. you apparently didnt get my point, which yes, is potentially hypothetical.....but then again, most everyone posting all of these threads are speaking as if everything they write is fact......probably less than 10% written by others on the C8 topic have any truth.
12-17-2018, 10:53 AM
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I think car manufacturers have auto start stop the wrong way. Instead of pressing a button to turn the system off every time you turn on your car, you should press a button to turn the system ON when you turn on your car. If you know you're going to be doing a lot of city driving, or just plain stop and go, then you can press the button when the need arises. I know a lot of the auto start stop delete kits have it working this way so if you want to turn the system on, you press the button that used to turn the system off.
I suspect it was an oversight in the regulations to even allow the OFF button. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that oversight and been corrected, and since GM is late to stop/start implementation they may have no choice with regard to eliminating the OFF button. The early adopters of start/stop got away with providing a button.
To those who say they will never buy a car with start/stop, you may well be actually saying you'll never purchase another new, gasoline-powered vehicle.
I think GM is handling this the best way, which is to promise nothing, show nothing, and talk about nothing until production plans, pricing, and availability are all decided and ready to be announced.
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12-17-2018, 11:38 AM
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As almost everyone reading this knows, the conversion from 6-volt to 12-volt happened, for the most part, in the 1950s. The C8 delay is yet another example of why an electrical infrastructure upgrade is way overdue for all cars.
https://disaffectedmusings.com/2018/12/14/c8-wait/
https://disaffectedmusings.com/2018/12/14/c8-wait/
12-17-2018, 12:10 PM
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I hate to do the tin foil crap but with the current "response" from the community regarding pricing it wouldn't surprise me if they just badge/brand this thing as a Cadillac--
I guess Chevy didn't realize it's current "buyers" never "caught on" to the "fact" that you can't produce a mid engine rear mount car for 60k and now that they are all disappointing they may make some "other changes" at this point nothing would surprise me. There are only a few of us on here that realize a 720s killer for half the price would be GREAT-- but the consensus on here is "if it's not 60k I don't want it." I have a feeling they are going to go Cadillac on this one or just make one Zora model.. who knows.
I guess Chevy didn't realize it's current "buyers" never "caught on" to the "fact" that you can't produce a mid engine rear mount car for 60k and now that they are all disappointing they may make some "other changes" at this point nothing would surprise me. There are only a few of us on here that realize a 720s killer for half the price would be GREAT-- but the consensus on here is "if it's not 60k I don't want it." I have a feeling they are going to go Cadillac on this one or just make one Zora model.. who knows.
12-17-2018, 12:59 PM
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My 2018 VW Golf R has stop/start (and a DCT). Before I can completely remove my foot from the brake pedal, the car starts. If i reduce foot pressure on the brake pedal, the car starts even though my foot is still on the pedal. I can also turn it off manually. And, if i put the car in "race" mode, start/stop is disabled. So my guess is that it won't be something we despise on the C8.
Some do it better than others.
In my Grand Cherokee it works similar to your Golf, engine restarts when brake pressure decreases.
However, there is a slight delay when quick starts from a standstill are wanted.
Imagine how this would work in a Sportscar (no more burnouts?)...
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Think NSX and Supra.
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12-17-2018, 01:04 PM
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If indeed the C8 has been delayed to correct problems in the design, that's better than manufacturing cars with known significant issues.
But...
Both the C3 and C4 were delayed by a full model year to correct problems, but initially they both turned out to be pretty poor cars anyway. It took a couple years of production to iron out the kinks.
Perhaps, GM is going to get it right this time. Perhaps.
But...
Both the C3 and C4 were delayed by a full model year to correct problems, but initially they both turned out to be pretty poor cars anyway. It took a couple years of production to iron out the kinks.
Perhaps, GM is going to get it right this time. Perhaps.
12-17-2018, 01:07 PM
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Cultural questions aside, from a marketing perspective it was not a smart move to debut a "concept car" and over-promise. GM is clearly not making that mistake in this case.
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12-17-2018, 01:17 PM
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If manufacturers could do it the way you suggest they would. In order for a fuel saving measure to qualify under CAFE requirements, it must be default ON every time the car is started. The average clueless driver would never turn it ON if default was OFF, thus it would be completely ineffective as a fuel saver.
I suspect it was an oversight in the regulations to even allow the OFF button. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that oversight and been corrected, and since GM is late to stop/start implementation they may have no choice with regard to eliminating the OFF button. The early adopters of start/stop got away with providing a button.
To those who say they will never buy a car with start/stop, you may well be actually saying you'll never purchase another new, gasoline-powered vehicle.
That would accomplish next to nothing at best, and would be a big mistake at worst. It would only heighten hysteria about when it would be available and how much. Many manufacturers have introduced concept cars, hinted that development would be underway soon, only to end up with egg on their faces several years later, with no car in production. Think NSX and Supra.
I think GM is handling this the best way, which is to promise nothing, show nothing, and talk about nothing until production plans, pricing, and availability are all decided and ready to be announced.
I suspect it was an oversight in the regulations to even allow the OFF button. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that oversight and been corrected, and since GM is late to stop/start implementation they may have no choice with regard to eliminating the OFF button. The early adopters of start/stop got away with providing a button.
To those who say they will never buy a car with start/stop, you may well be actually saying you'll never purchase another new, gasoline-powered vehicle.
That would accomplish next to nothing at best, and would be a big mistake at worst. It would only heighten hysteria about when it would be available and how much. Many manufacturers have introduced concept cars, hinted that development would be underway soon, only to end up with egg on their faces several years later, with no car in production. Think NSX and Supra.
I think GM is handling this the best way, which is to promise nothing, show nothing, and talk about nothing until production plans, pricing, and availability are all decided and ready to be announced.
The 2018 model has a automatic start/stop system that does have a button to disengage the auto start/stop function. In addition, the 2018 Audi A7 will restart in the same mode as when the car has been shut off.
So if you have the auto start/stop turned off and you go to a restaurant for lunch and shut the car off; When you return and restart the car, the auto start/stop function will still be off(since that was the selection that the system was when the car was shut off). Same goes for the car if the auto stop/start system was on when the car was shut off. When the car is restarted, it will be with the auto start/stop mode on.
I'm guessing that that same feature will be on the 2019 A7 as I have not been able to find any thing to say it has been discontinued for 2019.
Do you have a .gov link that says that Audi can't do that anymore?
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12-17-2018, 01:45 PM
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I am looking at the new 2019 Audi A7 as a daily driver, It has the 48 volt mild hybrid driveline with auto start/stop..
The 2018 model has a automatic start/stop system that does have a button to disengage the auto start/stop function. In addition, the 2018 Audi A7 will restart in the same mode as when the car has been shut off.
So if you have the auto start/stop turned off and you go to a restaurant for lunch and shut the car off; When you return and restart the car, the auto start/stop function will still be off(since that was the selection that the system was when the car was shut off). Same goes for the car if the auto stop/start system was on when the car was shut off. When the car is restarted, it will be with the auto start/stop mode on.
I'm guessing that that same feature will be on the 2019 A7 as I have not been able to find any thing to say it has been discontinued for 2019.
Do you have a .gov link that says that Audi can't do that anymore?
The 2018 model has a automatic start/stop system that does have a button to disengage the auto start/stop function. In addition, the 2018 Audi A7 will restart in the same mode as when the car has been shut off.
So if you have the auto start/stop turned off and you go to a restaurant for lunch and shut the car off; When you return and restart the car, the auto start/stop function will still be off(since that was the selection that the system was when the car was shut off). Same goes for the car if the auto stop/start system was on when the car was shut off. When the car is restarted, it will be with the auto start/stop mode on.
I'm guessing that that same feature will be on the 2019 A7 as I have not been able to find any thing to say it has been discontinued for 2019.
Do you have a .gov link that says that Audi can't do that anymore?
The 19 A7 is hot looking. Good choice for your DD and I absolutely love the Audi interior best in the business short of some true exotics.
Audi really did a great job with the whole design and the headlamps and taillamps are some of the coolest I have seen.
Good luck with the new car I am sure you will love it!
12-17-2018, 02:10 PM
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I am looking at the new 2019 Audi A7 as a daily driver, It has the 48 volt mild hybrid driveline with auto start/stop..
The 2018 model has a automatic start/stop system that does have a button to disengage the auto start/stop function. In addition, the 2018 Audi A7 will restart in the same mode as when the car has been shut off.
So if you have the auto start/stop turned off and you go to a restaurant for lunch and shut the car off; When you return and restart the car, the auto start/stop function will still be off(since that was the selection that the system was when the car was shut off). Same goes for the car if the auto stop/start system was on when the car was shut off. When the car is restarted, it will be with the auto start/stop mode on.
I'm guessing that that same feature will be on the 2019 A7 as I have not been able to find any thing to say it has been discontinued for 2019.
Do you have a .gov link that says that Audi can't do that anymore?
The 2018 model has a automatic start/stop system that does have a button to disengage the auto start/stop function. In addition, the 2018 Audi A7 will restart in the same mode as when the car has been shut off.
So if you have the auto start/stop turned off and you go to a restaurant for lunch and shut the car off; When you return and restart the car, the auto start/stop function will still be off(since that was the selection that the system was when the car was shut off). Same goes for the car if the auto stop/start system was on when the car was shut off. When the car is restarted, it will be with the auto start/stop mode on.
I'm guessing that that same feature will be on the 2019 A7 as I have not been able to find any thing to say it has been discontinued for 2019.
Do you have a .gov link that says that Audi can't do that anymore?
Last edited by Foosh; 12-17-2018 at 02:11 PM.