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Interesting post. Much better than most and actually one I could place far more stock in the some of the other recent leaks only because it came from a source in a highly reliable position. Only question mark is most of our "secretary's" have been considered admin's or admin assistants for many years. Nobody really labels themselves a secretary anymore.
But, specific job title aside, secretaries or admins know more about what's going on inside the walls of large corporations than anyone. My admin would be one of the most reliable sources for information from other groups only because they all talk to each other about what's going on. To the degree of knowing tightly held secrets within specific groups. Would definitely be the first place I would go if I wanted G2 on something that is supposed to be held to very limited distribution. That's also why anyone who has spent anytime in a Fortune 50 knows you shower the best gifts on admins on a regular basis. Nice lunches, flowers, candy, boxes of doughnuts. Whatever it takes.....
I owned a 1983 Z28 once - what a pos - I know not banner years for the Camaro soft cams worse car I ever owned - 10 vettes later for me for the money there is no substitute but just my personal preference
Oh have to admit the 1984 Corvette was crapolla also
I don't think anyone would believe a Camaro with the same engine as a Corvette ZR1 would be as fast. Close yes.
Weight, tranny, tires and distribution have a lot to do with it.
But according to John Hennesy they're about the same, lol.
You're right, close but no cigar. Most of us here don't take Hennessey seriously!
Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
Nope, wasn't like that.
I simply made a comment about how much I hated the new front-end of the 2019 when she started bringing up the ZL1.
I almost fell off my chair when I heard about a ZR1 engine in the ZL1.
Even my dreams aren't that good.
The ZR1 engine is very similar to the current ZL1 engine (bigger blower, dual injection). Would not surprise me.
Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
Personally, and just a wild azz guess, I don't understand why anyone would believe that a New C8 Mid-Engine platform Corvette that looks like a Supercar would cost anything less than $90.000.00
I would much rather have a C8 ME with 500HP+ than a C7 Z06 loaded with 650HP.
But that's just me.
I hope most here are right and the base C8 comes in around $70,000.00. Sounds like a steal to me.
When a Camaro ZL1 1LE is going for $75,000.00, the New Ford GT500 probably $80,000.00 + ADM, Shelby GT350R $75,000.00 and the new 911s are $120ish, why would a ME C8 come under $70,000.00?
Because it's the base model. You compare top tier models against a base model of the ME C8.
Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
I just posted what she told me.
Whether or not it comes to fruition I don't know. Even if the C8 came out next week I would hold off for 2-3 years when the fancier, more upgraded models come out.
In addition, this is an all new platform, unlike the latest Gen Camaro.
I'll wait till the end of the year (2019), if I don't hear any further news of a Camaro ZL1 with ZR1 engine, then I'll get the boring ZL1, manual with a Z06 engine and a 2019 model before the Fugly new front -end comes out. LOL.
Sounds like you're already sold on the Camaro.
Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
I wrote as much as I could remember immediately after hanging up.
I had no idea she knew anything about cars. She is a secretary in a department that would know about new car releases.
That's all I'm going to say.
Personally, I'm not interested in the C8 until all the buggies get worked out.
As for the ZL1 with a ZR1 engine, I'd be all over that as long as the ADM is not insane.
If your source is real, she can expect a visit from HR real soon.
Most people don't cross shop between the Camaro and Corvette.
Keep it coming, I enjoyed your posts, great entertainment. The V6 part is a shocker!
Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
1983 Z28 was a POS.
84 Vette was bad also. No argument here.
Can't comment about the '83 Z28, but the '84 Vette was a game changer!
If you told me 5 years ago that Ford Motor Co was going to Stop building passenger cars, GM was going to follow suit, that GM was going to close down many plants after we bailed them out and pickup trucks would cost $60k, $70k+ I would have said you're nuts.
I don't study passenger car sales of the 4 door variety or hybrid sales or anything of that nature. But I'm sure if you looked at the numbers, the writing was on the wall. While they both made huge strides after the debacle that was the 80s, they never built up the loyalty that Nissan, Honda and Toyota did in those categories. Add to that even though many years afterward when they did start to revive, the quality compared to the Japanese still wasn't present. Cadillac value still drops like a rock. A Toyota 4Runner holds value well past 200k miles. For years the truck segment and SUV and even crossover segments have grown massively here in the US, especially after 2008 when gas prices started falling again. Here's one quick link....you can see with even a moment's glance the massive drop in sales over the period. If the rest looked like this, it wouldn't be a surprise at all that they were going away. It would be obvious as the nose on your face (in the mirror of course!). http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...sales-numbers/
Top of the line Chevy LTZ pickup in 2013 could go up to $50k. Average new car price accelerating due to numerous computers, additional sensors, etc. means that trucks which keep getting bigger were going up as well. The race for most torque and horsepower in cars and trucks has accelerated like mad in the last 5 years as well and that demands money. Luxury car buyers who would never buy a Cadillac instead of a Lexus and needed to carry some things in a pickup truck wanted a nice truck...and Ford and Chevy have been happy to oblige with leather and plenty more to make them feel more at home. Crazy to think it....but true. But plenty of those sales are base models to companies who need work trucks as well.
A Base 2020 ME Corvettte with 500HP+ (V8) for $70,000.00?
Even the base will probably be less than 3.5 seconds 0-60MPH and 11's in the 1320 .
ZL1 MSRP = $73,990.00
Shelby GT350R (2018) MSRP = $79,490.00
Base Porsche 911 MSRP = $121,850.00
You're confusing the situation. Everyone discussing C8 pricing are referring to minimum MSRP before you load them up with options. That's the way manufacturers advertise. That's a common reference point.
Camaro ZL1 MSRP = $61,500
Shelby GT350R MSRP = $57,240
Porsche 911 Base = $91,100
Corvette C7 Base MSRP = $55,495
C7 Grand Sport MSRP = $65,495
Now a base C8 ME around $70,000 seems entirely possible. Contrary to popular opinion, there is nothing exorbitantly more expensive about a mid-engine configuration given equivalent production volumes to amortize development and tooling costs.
Sure, actual (your "typical") selling prices will be higher as very few are sold without options, but again, when members here are talking about the C8 base price, they are talking the lowest MSRP.
My thoughts exactly. Conversation is one thing, but posting it the Forum is quite another.This women's career is in jeopardy.
They caught an employee at the Bowling Green assembly plant with unauthorized photos on his phone. They destroyed his phone, terminated him on the spot and marched him out the door.
You're confusing the situation. Everyone discussing C8 pricing are referring to minimum MSRP before you load them up with options. That's the way manufacturers advertise. That's a common reference point.
Camaro ZL1 MSRP = $61,500
Shelby GT350R MSRP = $57,240
Porsche 911 Base = $91,100
Corvette C7 Base MSRP = $55,495
C7 Grand Sport MSRP = $65,495
Now a base C8 ME around $70,000 seems entirely possible. Contrary to popular opinion, there is nothing exorbitantly more expensive about a mid-engine configuration given equivalent production volumes to amortize development and tooling costs.
Sure, actual (your "typical") selling prices will be higher as very few are sold without options, but again, when members here are talking about the C8 base price, they are talking the lowest MSRP.
100% this. You people thinking GM is about to put out a $90K base model are delusional and I bet do not run any kind of business. You think the Corvettes are still alive and profitable thanks to Z06s and ZR1's? No. They are alive because of the base models and grandsports. The cheaper cars that sell in much higher volume. If Chevy tried to put out a base C8 at $90K starting MSRP, it would be the end of the Corvette. There wouldn't be a C9. There are only so many people willing to spend 6 figures on a Chevy product and it isn't nearly enough to make a profit.
I don't know why you think building a Mid-engined car costs a ridiculous amount of money. Its not going to have a McLaren carbon tub, its going to be built out of aluminum like the C7. Take a look at the Porsche Cayman if you need a prime example. Starting MSRP of $56,900. So if Porsche can build an incredibly balanced and well sorted mid-engined car for $57K, why do you think Chevy would cost nearly double that? Its so annoying hearing people say this car has to be exorbitantly expensive. It will be slightly higher than C7 prices for comparable models and thats it. I'd consider the Grand Sport MSRP a good starting point for the base model.
Also, just as an FYI for the guy who posted the cars and their MSRP's, you linked to a limited production ZLE 1LE, not a regular ZL1, thats why it was so much money.
Family member is a he and not a she but good looking out for him/her.
Glad he ratted out the goods.
Modern cars for all their features/hp are sad. They’re disposable. Nothing will be supported decades later as all the nanny/ninny gadgets fail. The future beaters you try to save won’t be worth it. We’re producing future junk, not classics.
If this is true, you've said far too much. You are putting her at great risk for losing her job. There's way too much identifying information you posted. It shouldn't be too hard for corporate security to narrow down to a few people with the information you provided. She trusted you and you put the conversation on a public forum? I really hope you disguised everything "she" said. Of course, that begs the question whether this is at all real.
If the OP thinks he has covered his source's tracks, think again. Massive, internal investigation for all employees, parts suppliers, subsidiaries, contractors, etc. and yes, the investigators know all the tricks on how to disguise an identity, gender etc. They will probably start by tracing the OP's IP address, identity, posting history, etc and go from there. Polygraph exams and private investigators, etc. Refuse the polygraph and you are fired. Too much money at stake. If GM were to open a criminal case (corporate espionage, interference with interstate commerce/federal offense, trade secrets theft) then all bets are off and subpoenas could be sent to even Corvetteforum to compel the owners to turn over all records and info on the OP. IP address, name, address, etc. Same with his or her cell phone provider, etc. Cell phone call records, social media accounts, etc. Decades ago, Motortrend showed concept images of the then unreleased LT1 designs (Firebird, etc) and it took GM years, but they eventually pinpointed the leaker.
Come on...I don't think the OP was spilling National Security secrets.
What little info was posted at this late in the C8 game is not a big deal.
If GM is willing to spend some of the millions taxpayer $$$ they received in the bailout to try to track this down, it wouldn't be a big inconvenience for me to write them off on future auto purchases.
IMHO I think the C8 Base Vette will command a premium to these cars.
You can have a Camaro ZL1 or a Mustang GT350R for $80,000.00 or a 2020 ME Vette for $70,000.00+
No-Brainer which one I'd pick.
Maybe $80,000.00 and change for a decent ME Vette, but no less.
I don't see it happening, but I've been wrong before.
This is the first time I have come across this render. I just had to point out that I think it is the best one yet. Would be great is this is close to the real deal. What has C7pimp had to say about this one?
Personally, and just a wild azz guess, I don't understand why anyone would believe that a New C8 Mid-Engine platform Corvette that looks like a Supercar would cost anything less than $90.000.00
Three reasons:
1) Sources who were invited by GM to see the car earlier this fall were told the C8 base MSRP would be within 'financial striking distance" of the current C7 base (10%-ish), and
2) GM intends to sell this car in quantities at least equal to, and hopes for more sales than the current C7 by expanding internationally. There is no market demand for 40K 2-seat sports cars annually at prices starting at $90K. You won't find a single example of that for any 2-seater model. Half of C7 sales were base models throughout the C7 run starting at $55K MSRP before any options. The market for 2-seat sports cars is very limited because of their lack of utility. GM has no intention of giving up the traditional Corvette market by going lower volume, which would be dictated by a dramatically more expensive C8 ME.
3) There is nothing inherently more expensive about mass-producing an ME car.
Lastly, about the only thing you say your relative didn't relay info on was price.
EDIT: PS, I hope your relative suffers no harm as a result of your post.
12-17-2018, 08:02 PM
