C8 will be at NAIAS 2019
01-03-2019, 12:40 PM
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Well Corvette has got to do something interesting since sales collapsed in 4Q2018: Down 37% and off 25% for all of 2018 to under 19,000.
Meanwhile, Porsche set a new record: "Porsche Cars North America Inc. said Thursday it had record U.S. retail sales in 2018, selling 57,202 vehicles, up 3.2% from the record set in 2017."
Meanwhile, Porsche set a new record: "Porsche Cars North America Inc. said Thursday it had record U.S. retail sales in 2018, selling 57,202 vehicles, up 3.2% from the record set in 2017."
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01-03-2019, 12:49 PM
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C7s still outsold Porsche sports cars in 2018 by a wide margin primarily because of affordability. See the link in post #39.
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01-03-2019, 01:14 PM
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01-03-2019, 01:38 PM
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Huh? They released the Stingray, then the Stingray Convertible, then the Z06 came out in 2015, then 2017 the Grand Sport in various flavors, then for this extended 2019 model run the King of the Hill ZR1. They've done quite a bit. The sales drop-off is perfectly normal and happens with every generation. GM has always wanted shorter runs. The C7 will have 6 model years (2014-2019) if the 2020 is the C8 which is ideal. The C4 went way way way long (read All Corvettes Are red) as the C5 was supposed to be a 1993 model. The C5 went 8 years and then the C6 went an extra few years because of the GM bankruptcy. Supposedly the C7 was supposed to come in 2010-2011. When GM got out of BK there were rumors that the C7 was a "stop gap" warmed over C6 while GM focused on a more radical C8. Reality is the C7 is a very nice evolution of the C5/6 platform and GM did a great job with the budget they had. The car has been a success... so the 6 year run to the C8 makes sense. Many thought it would be 4-5 max, but the sales success of the Z06/GS (offering all models in auto and vert options) has kept it on longer.
The Stringray model of coupes and converts are the same in 19 as they were in 14 same exact engine and body.
The 15 Z06 again was a new model in 15 and other than GM attempt to fix the over heat issue in 17 it is exact he same model in 19 as it was in 15
Grand Sport new MODEL in 16 is the same as 19.
ZR1 19 same with what was delivered in 18.
So NO C7 EXCITING CORVETTE MODEL HAS RECEIVED ANY BODY AND OR ENGINE UPDATES that was different from the original model when released .
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01-03-2019, 01:39 PM
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Maybe a slight whiff of a bone in Detroit ...
Some sort of acknowledgement of this next revolutionary Corvette...
As for zerv02...well ...he’s putting himself in a position ,to actually be receiving “the Bone”
Official reveal won’t be there .
Lets make zerv02 threads great again.
Some sort of acknowledgement of this next revolutionary Corvette...
As for zerv02...well ...he’s putting himself in a position ,to actually be receiving “the Bone”
Official reveal won’t be there .
Lets make zerv02 threads great again.
01-03-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by elegant
So no GM press conference at NAIAS, and my true insiders, who are names that we have read and still read about on the mega automedia events/publications, often monthly, have not yet been invited..., know absolutely nothing about this.
01-03-2019, 01:48 PM
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In the US, Porsche sold 789 911s in December, and 9647 for the year. They sold 237 Cayman/Boxsters in December and 5246 for the year. They sold 332 Panameras in December. That makes an average of 1303 C7s per month over the last 3 months look pretty good, but not by GM's standards.
Of the 57,202 units Porsche sold in the US in 2018, 34,237 were SAV/SUVs. 8K were 4-door sedans (Panameras).
2018 US Porsche Sales
Despite dramatic sales drops due to sagging interest and market saturation, C7s still outsold Porsche sports cars by a wide margin, because it beats Porsche by a wide margin on price. I've said it many times, but it bears repeating that the market for what are essentially 2-seat sports cars is very limited.
Porsche thrives on SAV/SUV sales.
Of the 57,202 units Porsche sold in the US in 2018, 34,237 were SAV/SUVs. 8K were 4-door sedans (Panameras).
2018 US Porsche Sales
Despite dramatic sales drops due to sagging interest and market saturation, C7s still outsold Porsche sports cars by a wide margin, because it beats Porsche by a wide margin on price. I've said it many times, but it bears repeating that the market for what are essentially 2-seat sports cars is very limited.
Porsche thrives on SAV/SUV sales.
WORLDWIDE, Porsche 2017 sales are 246,375. I have not seen the 2018 sales breakdown but Porsche says they are higher than 2017 sales.
911 sales 32,197
911 production 33.820
Boxster/Cayman sales 25,114
Boxster/Cayman production 26,427
In 2017 the 911 and Boxster/Cayman sales averaged 4,778 per month.
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01-03-2019, 01:58 PM
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The C8 will go into production this year.
It makes sense to show it at the NAIA.
Particularly when you think about all the negative news GM has had lately.
They need a shot in the arm of good publicity.
IMO, this alone would be enough to do the reveal in a couple of weeks.
For the same reason the Ford GT wasn't?
Or because GM only recently decided to actually do it?
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01-03-2019, 02:18 PM
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The other day I was thinking, all these denials about the reveal being in Detroit probably means it will be in Detroit. That reverse psychology thing our kids try to pull on us from time to time.
the good news is we will all know in just a couple weeks.
PC
the good news is we will all know in just a couple weeks.
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01-03-2019, 02:44 PM
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Ford pulled off the biggest surprise a few years ago with the GT, nobody had any idea on that car. Design and build in a secrete basement , now that's a well kept, die if you tell someone car!
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01-03-2019, 02:55 PM
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Exciting models? I feel all Corvettes are exciting! (Just kidding, I know you meant existing.)
01-03-2019, 02:58 PM
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GM, as well as Porsche, sells their vehicles WORLDWIDE.. With the Corvette, US sales represent about 90% of the TOTAL Corvette sales WORLDWIDE..
WORLDWIDE, Porsche 2017 sales are 246,375. I have not seen the 2018 sales breakdown but Porsche says they are higher than 2017 sales.
911 sales 32,197
911 production 33.820
Boxster/Cayman sales 25,114
Boxster/Cayman production 26,427
In 2017 the 911 and Boxster/Cayman sales averaged 4,778 per month.
WORLDWIDE, Porsche 2017 sales are 246,375. I have not seen the 2018 sales breakdown but Porsche says they are higher than 2017 sales.
911 sales 32,197
911 production 33.820
Boxster/Cayman sales 25,114
Boxster/Cayman production 26,427
In 2017 the 911 and Boxster/Cayman sales averaged 4,778 per month.
GM basically pulled out of the EU in 2017 selling off Opel and Vauxhall to Peugeot. Perhaps GM has plans to begin to build an international Corvette presence, but that will be a long, slow process.
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01-03-2019, 03:04 PM
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True, but the Corvette strategy has always been US-centric. It has no worldwide dealer network. GM does not sell the same models internationally it sells in the US. It took Porsche many years to build their extensive worldwide network offering the same models in every country. Perhaps GM has plans to begin to build an international Corvette presence, but that will be a long, slow process.
01-03-2019, 03:09 PM
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01-03-2019, 03:34 PM
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Totally unlike GM who owns 100% of Chevrolet.
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01-03-2019, 03:42 PM
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Why Dubai?
For the 2017 MY Corvette, they exported 2,268 to Canada, 108 to Japan, 118 to Mexico, 149 to the Mideast and 582 to Europe.
The USA is far larger a market than Dubai, so I would think that is where they would show off a new generation Corvette......not at a location that buys very few Corvettes.
Much more important that you try and impress your wife, than your neighbor's wife.
For the 2017 MY Corvette, they exported 2,268 to Canada, 108 to Japan, 118 to Mexico, 149 to the Mideast and 582 to Europe.
The USA is far larger a market than Dubai, so I would think that is where they would show off a new generation Corvette......not at a location that buys very few Corvettes.
Much more important that you try and impress your wife, than your neighbor's wife.
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