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Here is the itinerary for the tomorrow at NAIAS. Ford is expected to FINALLY reveal the 2020 GT500 at 8:40am EST. I don't see anything official for GM on the 14th but there is 10 minute block set aside at 4:45 - 4:55pm EST that looks interesting. Also, Cadillac has something going on the night of the 13th at 6:00pm.
GM does NOT market its US vehicles worldwide. It is not a strategic element of their business model. They sold their EU divisions (Opel and Vauxhall) to Peugeot about 5 years ago. They have a big presence in China, but that presence is not GM, per se. They are joint ventures with Chinese companies selling completely different products, and GM is actually not even the majority partner.
GM does NOT sell more than a handful of their US cars beyond N. America, and they have a minimal dealer presence beyond N. America to market and support those products. They don't even try. Other than China, they're not putting much effort into international sales of passenger vehicles.
You keep publishing worldwide Porsche sales numbers, but it's a misleading example. Porsche sells basically the same modes of all their vehicles worldwide, and they have developed a massive network to support those sales. That doesn't happen overnight, and GM has no comparable international infrastructure.
Meanwhile, here are Porsche sales in the US in 2018.
Every year GM exports Corvettes to Canada, Europe, Mexico, Japan and the Mideast. GM does have sales and service facilities in those areas or the WORLD.
GM also has manufacturing facilities in South America for sales within South America and manufacturing facilities in China for sales in China. GM sold more vehicles in China last year than the sold vehicles in the USA. GM is a worldwide company. So, why is GM not exporting Corvettes to China, maybe because there is no demand for Corvettes in China, as there is for Buicks and Cadillacs.
Sales in Germany(and the rest of Europe) of Corvettes is active and if you want to buy a Cadillac or Corvette in Germany, just go to a Cadillac/Corvette dealer. There is no shortage of Cadillacs or Corvettes for sale in Germany, just a shortage of buyers for Cadillacs and Corvettes. And that goes for the other countries that GM exports to. There is plenty of money in Europe and the Mideast to buy Corvettes, but those with that money are not buying Corvettes. They are buying Porsches though.
It is a MINIMAL presence as I said. It doesn't come close to comparing with Porsche's international sales presence. And as I ALSO said, they do sell a "handful".
I don't think you bothered to read what I said. Yes, GM sells a lot of vehicles off-shore, but the overwhelming majority of those sales are NOT US models. They are the product of joint ventures with Chinese and other foreign entities, and they are models unique to that market.
It is a MINIMAL presence as I said. It doesn't come close to comparing with Porsche's international sales presence. And as I ALSO said, they do sell a "handful".
I don't think you bothered to read what I said. Yes, GM sells a lot of vehicles off-shore, but the overwhelming majority of those sales are NOT US models. They are the product of joint ventures with Chinese and other foreign entities, and they are models unique to that market.
Porsche does not do that.
GM is a global company. As an example, GM manufactures vehicles in Brazil. Chevrolet is the largest selling brand in Brazil and sold 434,364 vehicles in Brazil in 2018. They didn't sell almost a half million vehicles without an extensive dealer network in place. That same dealer sales/service network in Brazil could also sell thousands of Corvettes annually, if there was a demand for the Corvette in Brazil.
GM sold 2,946,742 vehicles in the US in 2018. Do you really think that GM sold all those vehicles in Brazil in one or two dealerships. They sure didn't sell all those vehicles in the US with just a half dozen dealerships.
GM has dealerships all over the globe that could sell Corvettes, if there was enough demand to entice the dealers to sell/service the Corvette.
Outside of the US and Canada, GM has plenty of dealers selling GM vehicles. The problem is that outside of the US and Canada, there is no demand for the Corvette, but there is for the Porsche 911/Boxster/Cayman.
And I bet GM has more worldwide dealers than Porsche has. The last number I saw was that GM sold vehicles in 120 different countries, WORLDWIDE. Porsche has something like 650 WORLDWIDE dealerships with 189 of them in the US. Do you really think the Porsche has more dealerships WORLDWIDE than GM?
GM is a global company. As an example, GM manufactures vehicles in Brazil. Chevrolet is the largest selling brand in Brazil and sold 434,364 vehicles in Brazil in 2018. They didn't sell almost a half million vehicles without an extensive dealer network in place. That same dealer sales/service network in Brazil could also sell thousands of Corvettes annually, if there was a demand for the Corvette in Brazil.
GM sold 2,946,742 vehicles in the US in 2018. Do you really think that GM sold all those vehicles in Brazil in one or two dealerships. They sure didn't sell all those vehicles in the US with just a half dozen dealerships.
GM has dealerships all over the globe that could sell Corvettes, if there was enough demand to entice the dealers to sell/service the Corvette.
Outside of the US and Canada, GM has plenty of dealers selling GM vehicles. The problem is that outside of the US and Canada, there is no demand for the Corvette, but there is for the Porsche 911/Boxster/Cayman.
And I bet GM has more worldwide dealers than Porsche has. The last number I saw was that GM sold vehicles in 120 different countries, WORLDWIDE. Porsche has something like 650 WORLDWIDE dealerships with 189 of them in the US. Do you really think the Porsche has more deals WORLDWIDE than GM?
Here too...completely out of canter...
On this one foosh is closer to center mass.
Within the context of 911s and Corvettes the two employ two completely different sales models and distributions.
As stated Corvette is 95% a domestic product with domestic distributions. That is how they keep the car overheads in check. Cost of marketing and distribution contained to the minimum.
911 is an export product. Porsche all together is an export product. Overheads to the hilt passed appropriately to customers.
GM pulled out of EU eons ago. No reason to expend overhead on a 35% tariffed market to protect VW Golfs...
Last edited by Telepierre; 01-13-2019 at 03:45 PM.
Here is the itinerary for the tomorrow at NAIAS. Ford is expected to FINALLY reveal the 2020 GT500 at 8:40am EST. I don't see anything official for GM on the 14th but there is 10 minute block set aside at 4:45 - 4:55pm EST that looks interesting. Also, Cadillac has something going on the night of the 13th at 6:00pm.
jan 15th. 8:30 - 9:30 AM EST - PENDING INDUSTRY ANNOUNCEMENT - ATRIUM STAGE
I read somewhere that the announcement would be the official beginning of a partnership between Ford and Volkswagen, but that’s not an official confirmation.
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Originally Posted by Telepierre
Porsche is a full fledged subsidiary controlled by VW.
Well, sorta. Porsche AG (the company that makes the cars) is wholly owned (since 2012) by Volkswagen AG. But the majority of voting rights (51 percent, more or less) in Volkswagen AG are owned by Porsche SE (a holding company controlled by the Porsche and Piech families). As with many things German, its complicated ... not that any of it really matters to the point of this discussion.
One thing is for sure, this car needs to be revealed ASAP. I can not take this anymore. People are clawing at each others throats, coming up with crazy speculations, and SO MUCH MORE!
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Originally Posted by Bluewasp
jan 15th. 8:30 - 9:30 AM EST - PENDING INDUSTRY ANNOUNCEMENT - ATRIUM STAGE
Here's a photo of the Atrium Stage at last year's NAIAS. Not the kind of presentation setup that GM would use for one of the most anticipated reveals in GM history...at least I would hope not. My personal opinion is that the reveal will take place several months from now and even possibly AFTER the NYAS and NCM Bash, which will disappoint many, I'm sure. But like I always say, time will tell.
01-13-2019, 01:10 PM
