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A very telling response to my post from here that says a lot about what Zerv02 said he saw.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ls-soon-9.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ls-soon-9.html
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#323
Melting Slicks
There are times where you are making a turn too tight to keep your hands at 9 and 3 and not have your hands "cross" (basically reach the point where your arms are crossed and touching). In those situations, you have to move your hands (shuffle steer) which can cause you to lose orientation of the pedals if they have moved. I can think of two corners at the "local track" (actually, same corner, just different directions) where that happens. One direction you need to upshift pretty early on corner exit, the other direction you need to downshift. In both cases your hands are crossed if you don't shuffle steer. If the rack has a fast enough ratio or you have just the right gear ratios to avoid the shift, great, but that isn't a given.
#325
Le Mans Master
Track driving lesson 101.
There are times where you are making a turn too tight to keep your hands at 9 and 3 and not have your hands "cross" (basically reach the point where your arms are crossed and touching). In those situations, you have to move your hands (shuffle steer) which can cause you to lose orientation of the pedals if they have moved. I can think of two corners at the "local track" (actually, same corner, just different directions) where that happens. One direction you need to upshift pretty early on corner exit, the other direction you need to downshift. In both cases your hands are crossed if you don't shuffle steer. If the rack has a fast enough ratio or you have just the right gear ratios to avoid the shift, great, but that isn't a given.
There are times where you are making a turn too tight to keep your hands at 9 and 3 and not have your hands "cross" (basically reach the point where your arms are crossed and touching). In those situations, you have to move your hands (shuffle steer) which can cause you to lose orientation of the pedals if they have moved. I can think of two corners at the "local track" (actually, same corner, just different directions) where that happens. One direction you need to upshift pretty early on corner exit, the other direction you need to downshift. In both cases your hands are crossed if you don't shuffle steer. If the rack has a fast enough ratio or you have just the right gear ratios to avoid the shift, great, but that isn't a given.
You don't change gears when you have your hands crossed in a turn that is so tight, ever (automatic, stick shift or DCT). On a road course, most turns you turn the steering wheel less than 90 degrees.
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#329
Melting Slicks
Perhaps you need a course in reading comprehension. I clearly did not state shifting with your hands crossed, although admittedly I could have been clearer in my statement. I did however point out there are turns where you either cross your hands or really, you need to shuffle your hands to make the turn, meaning you lose your "9 and 3" position reference. And further, that there are turns that into (since you have to move your hands BEFORE you get them crossed) or out of (since you really shouldn't take your hands off the wheel at that level of steering) a shift may need to be made BEFORE you get back to 9 and 3, you can easily lose the orientation of the paddles if they are attached to the wheel. If you haven't been in a corner like that, or aren't driving fast enough to experience, that is a different problem, but it does in fact happen.
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Perhaps you need a course in reading comprehension. I clearly did not state shifting with your hands crossed, although admittedly I could have been clearer in my statement. I did however point out there are turns where you either cross your hands or really, you need to shuffle your hands to make the turn, meaning you lose your "9 and 3" position reference. And further, that there are turns that into (since you have to move your hands BEFORE you get them crossed) or out of (since you really shouldn't take your hands off the wheel at that level of steering) a shift may need to be made BEFORE you get back to 9 and 3, you can easily lose the orientation of the paddles if they are attached to the wheel. If you haven't been in a corner like that, or aren't driving fast enough to experience, that is a different problem, but it does in fact happen.
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#332
Instructor
But look at the details in that rear hatch button! Split window something.
Last edited by FactoryZ51; 01-15-2019 at 04:21 PM.
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A very telling response to my post from here that says a lot about what Zerv02 said he saw.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ls-soon-9.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...ls-soon-9.html
It's the angle that makes it look different...
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Burning Brakes
That’s definitely a split-window rear hatch on the right button... and you can see it here:
Making it a split-window coupe is a VERY bold move. It may pay off, too.
This car gets more exciting every week.
This car gets more exciting every week.
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Folks' nostalgia is usually misplaced. Split window is an awful idea from the past and needs to be left there.
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#338
Instructor
but those were the days when cars did not know how to drive themselves. A fancy new camera and rearview set up might have been game changers for Mr Z himself.
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but what if the rear view mirror is like the 2019 Camaro (view from external camera).
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Burning Brakes
If the rear Camera mirror exists, what’s the big issue? Welburn said in 2009 that they could make a split window Corvette work with modern backup cameras, and he said that he expected the split window to return on the C7. Perhaps the technology wasn’t there to have a split window C7, but GM’s rear Camera mirror will give the C8 better rearward visibility than almost any sports car on the market.