GM & confidentiality about the C8
#41
Yes, the paint shop photos are most likely true leaks, along with the apparent CAD drawings. I'm not convinced the interior pictures are of anything final. I wouldn't be surprised if the source of those leaks are no longer employed in any occupation having to do with GM.
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#42
Burning Brakes
A disaster it would be, Just remember the Simpsons episode back in 1991 where Homer designed "the car for the average schmo" for his half-brother Herb, voiced by Danny DeVito. As would be expected, Herb's car company folded.
https://www.wired.com/2014/07/homer-simpson-car/
https://www.wired.com/2014/07/homer-simpson-car/
OMG so true... letting the public design your car is a recipe for disaster... I remember reading something Bob Lutz once said about having customers help drive automobile designs ruins a good viable product. The point he made was that you can't design or redesign a car based on 10% (I'm being generous here) of the cars following are complaining about because you risk changing it too much that the other 90% don't want it anymore.
#43
Somba master
I believe that there is an optimum time period between the reveal, and when cars can be ordered. I further believe that the C8 hasn’t hit that time indicated for a properly timed release. GM knows just when to reveal the C8. They won’t reveal before then.
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#44
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In the city where I live, there are quite a few thousand people who either have security clearances, or work with sensitive or proprietary data every day at work (SBU, export controlled, ITAR, etc.). We get lots of training about it. People are risking their jobs, not to mention possible criminal actions, if they leak information. Everybody knows to not do it.
The only things I talk about are things that I can openly find on the internet (common knowledge).
The only things I talk about are things that I can openly find on the internet (common knowledge).
#45
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Having been active duty USAF for 20 years, I am familiar with security and keeping tight control over secret imformation.
Keeping secrets with large numbers of people involved is next to impossible unless serious consequences are enforced..
GM has it’s systems in place.
Keeping secrets with large numbers of people involved is next to impossible unless serious consequences are enforced..
GM has it’s systems in place.
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GM doesn't plan leaks. Unlike what a lot of people here and elsewhere would like to speculate, it simply doesn't happen that way. GM does play the mis-information game, and they've been doing it successfully since at least the C5 era; read All Corvettes Are Red for more clues to that. But they don't intentionally leak actual information. It's simply not done and is an immediate terminating offense if the person is found out. No questions are asked. G'bye. You're done.
They're also very good at figuring out who's who.
They're also very good at figuring out who's who.
Bill
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GM hasn't stretched anything... they haven't started the reveal. Everything to date has been development that people have gotten spy info from. Acura had that NSX superbowl ad in like 2008 with Jerry Sienfeld and Leno and then the car didn't come out for nearly 10 more years. Toyota has similarly drawn out the POS Supra launch. GM can't be grouped with them when they haven't even started formally marketing the car.
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JVP and myself are well connected...and what we do share is spot on correct. The Corvette Team and Bowling Green Plant Executives do NOT share confidential information about future product. I also know for a fact that the two photos that were leaked were not GM authorized or intentional. Furthermore, I know of several instances over the last couple of years where people lost their jobs for mishandling sensitive information. It's not a game with these guys, it's their career that is on the line.
Point being and what those in the know are saying leaks can be traced back and usually are. Bottom line there is a HUGE effect with leaks.
I go back to the old saying:
Those that actually know aren't talking
Those that think they know are talking
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#50
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This period of time prior to the introduction of any high profile model can be downright entertaining. Gotta love the internet blowholes who begin a post with "My sources which I cannot identify have told me". This stuff is as old as the internet but still hilarious. As if multiple individuals working in good positions are going to risk their careers and 6 figure incomes to "leak" info regarding an upcoming model so some monkey can play know it all on an internet forum.
#52
Burning Brakes
Personally I think all the camo makes little sense. Just look at Porsche - they are testing the upcoming models without camo. Everything is out in the open. Granted, the 911 does not change that much from model to model, but we are not talking sensitive top secret government secrets. This is a car that GM will want to sell as many as they can. Why not spur demand by letting prospective buyers get a look at what is coming? If they don't like it, then they can buy a C7. Just MHO.
#53
I suspect if Porsche were developing a new sports car that was a radical departure from the 911, they would wrap it up in ugly plastic too.
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Do employees sign a contract about releasing secret company information when they are hired? The GM secrecy game about the ME is getting worn out and since it didn't appear at the Detroit Show maybe the marketing department will make a teaser add for the Super Bowl to keep the interest going.
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Personally I think all the camo makes little sense. Just look at Porsche - they are testing the upcoming models without camo. Everything is out in the open. Granted, the 911 does not change that much from model to model, but we are not talking sensitive top secret government secrets. This is a car that GM will want to sell as many as they can. Why not spur demand by letting prospective buyers get a look at what is coming? If they don't like it, then they can buy a C7. Just MHO.
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This thread is the biggest LOL!!!
Don't you guys understand GM is behind all this? They are manipulating all of it. They read all these posts and most likely have their own fakes commenting here and there to stir the pot and get social media talking about it.
You are being manipulated. This entire "when will we see it???" discussion has been a product of GM's own making. They know exactly what they are doing.
We are just their pawns.
Don't you guys understand GM is behind all this? They are manipulating all of it. They read all these posts and most likely have their own fakes commenting here and there to stir the pot and get social media talking about it.
You are being manipulated. This entire "when will we see it???" discussion has been a product of GM's own making. They know exactly what they are doing.
We are just their pawns.
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Those who believe GM is leaking info or think they should make an announcement well in advance of full production need to remember, they are still trying to sell C7s. If you want to kill a product, all you have to do is advertise that the new replacement is coming out in a two years. Your retail outlets will have to beg customers to buy the current car.
The situation is bad enough right now with many buyers asking themselves if they should buy or wait. I think GM hasn't reached the point where they want to leak information.
We saw leaked photos when the ZR1 was being developed. Drivers of mules stopped for photo ops, slowed down on freeways to let cameras catch up, parked in gas stations to fuel up while cameras were clicking. Who can forget the photo of the wheels that said "ZR1" on them. That was leakage.
We're not seeing that yet with the ME/C8. Either too early in the development or GM intends to go from the current status to sudden announcement, not sure which but they are not leaking.
The situation is bad enough right now with many buyers asking themselves if they should buy or wait. I think GM hasn't reached the point where they want to leak information.
We saw leaked photos when the ZR1 was being developed. Drivers of mules stopped for photo ops, slowed down on freeways to let cameras catch up, parked in gas stations to fuel up while cameras were clicking. Who can forget the photo of the wheels that said "ZR1" on them. That was leakage.
We're not seeing that yet with the ME/C8. Either too early in the development or GM intends to go from the current status to sudden announcement, not sure which but they are not leaking.
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Personally I think all the camo makes little sense. Just look at Porsche - they are testing the upcoming models without camo. Everything is out in the open. Granted, the 911 does not change that much from model to model, but we are not talking sensitive top secret government secrets. This is a car that GM will want to sell as many as they can. Why not spur demand by letting prospective buyers get a look at what is coming? If they don't like it, then they can buy a C7. Just MHO.
#60
OMG so true... letting the public design your car is a recipe for disaster... I remember reading something Bob Lutz once said about having customers help drive automobile designs ruins a good viable product. The point he made was that you can't design or redesign a car based on 10% (I'm being generous here) of the cars following are complaining about because you risk changing it too much that the other 90% don't want it anymore.