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I'm just going to say, lets not forget two GM mules that have never surfaced as a product yet:
This was full ZR1 aero, but a Stingray hood implying naturally aspirated engine. We know from GrandSport though, they said even the stage 3 aero was too much drag for the LT1 power level. So...we still could see a surprise variant using the parts bin and possibly a different engine. That engine could very well also be in the car seen below the Corvette here. I acknowledge the roll bar was low and weird and while it had the wing, it also had no front aero at all really...it did come from a GM garage though, and it had SOME purpose...no one can say factually what it was. To me, it says two things very clearly...ZR1 wing with no room for a supercharger.
Below is a ZL1 1LE with no rear wing and carbon brakes, which would imply Z28 mule possibly. Could we be seeing Z06X and Z28 as big aero, naturally aspirated parts bin cars borrowing from all the current bin and adding in a new engine?
Last edited by KnightDriveTV; 01-17-2019 at 06:13 PM.
The Corvette team knows how to make an amazing car but has no clue on how to create a "special edition" Corvette! Adding cheap stickers and tacky tack-ons does not make for a special car! Look into how Porsche does it and start making true "special or limited edition" models and see how much of a true premium you can get and create an instant classic!
The Corvette team knows how to make an amazing car but has no clue on how to create a "special edition" Corvette! Adding cheap stickers and tacky tack-ons does not make for a special car! Look into how Porsche does it and start making true "special or limited edition" models and see how much of a true premium you can get and create an instant classic!
The LT4 grand sport from the end of the C4 run is one of the few truly "special edition" vettes I can think of in recent years.
The "fat" is that the A10 does not require a redesign of the chassis and GM upgrades engines all the time. In "fat" GM is building a whole new ME Corvette that won't sell even half the volume of the FE C7, especially with the more powerful engine and better transmission.
How many times does Tadge have to tell us the A10 will not fit in the C7 before some people will get it?
A de-contented lighter weight C7 Grand Sport with ZR1 Aero with the new NA OHV LT2 engine with (7sp manual) thats going to be in the C8 front engined Corvette.
A de-contented lighter weight C7 Grand Sport with ZR1 Aero with the new NA OHV LT2 engine with (7sp manual) thats going to be in the C8 front engined Corvette.
Now you are talking. An auto also. They will sell like crazy. Then, after two years when Lutz says people will get used to the ME, the C9 FE car can be introduced at very little cost. The base cars will cost the same and only the very high performance cars will be ME. Yeah. 50 000 sales/year. That is, if the communists don't take power by then.
I know those model #/order codes that were discussed a while ago said 2020, but could those numbers be for this "special edition"? Maybe the 2019 SE will now be a 2020 model to give the C8 development team a little breathing room to get things right.
How many times does Tadge have tell us that an A8 was not needed in the C7 as the A6 was fully capable, before some people will get it?
Well, technically he was correct, it was not needed. I can't recall hearing a '14 A6 owner reporting any problems or complaining about that transmission. He had to know the A8 was coming in the 2015 MY.
So what Tadge really says is "as you see, there is no structure around here (gesturing toward the transmission)". IOW, the transmission is simply bolted onto the rear axle with no supports or structural pieces around it. Since the A10 fits in the the "same space" as the A8, according to the GM official media release, there is no reason not to use the A10 in a refreshed C7. Further, since the A10 is massively better than the A8, substituting it is simply a no-brainer.
"A unique triple-clutch assembly in the middle of the 10-speed’s architecture is a primary enabler for packaging 10-speed content in the same space as GM’s six- and eight-speed transmissions." https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html
Hey, why don't we check with Tadge in person and see what he actually says about the transmission in the C7? Go to the 2:00 mark --
So what Tadge really says is "as you see, there is no structure around here (gesturing toward the transmission)". IOW, the transmission is simply bolted onto the rear axle with no supports or structural pieces around it. Since the A10 fits in the the "same space" as the A8, according to the GM official media release, there is no reason not to use the A10 in a refreshed C7. Further, since the A10 is massively better than the A8, substituting it is simply a no-brainer.
"A unique triple-clutch assembly in the middle of the 10-speed’s architecture is a primary enabler for packaging 10-speed content in the same space as GM’s six- and eight-speed transmissions." https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html
To use the A10 trans in the C7 they'd have to do the tooling for a new transmission case (as current A10 is single piece case, bolted directly to the engine, and this application would require 2-piece case), plus bellhousing and tailshaft housing and tailshaft. Certainly doable, but rather than throwing $$ at doing that, if they continue the FE variant (an unknown at this point), they'd likely just skip that and go DCT across the board for the auto.
Certainly doable, but rather than throwing $$ at doing that, if they continue the FE variant (an unknown at this point), they'd likely just skip that and go DCT across the board for the auto.
DCTs are more expensive and the A10 has proven reliability. Supposedly the A10 shifts faster than the a DCT and therefore acceleration times, and fuel economy, should be better.
01-17-2019, 06:08 PM
