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Old 01-29-2019, 03:58 PM
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TBD - To Be Determined for the order dates ending and starting the 2019 and 2020 C7, respectively. No reference AT ALL for the C8.

Facts: An increase in power for the LT1 is well past due and the problematic A8 transmission should have been phased out years ago. Meanwhile, buyers are demanding more ZR1s and manual trans buyers are not happy about the C8.

Bottom line: A refreshed, re-styled C7 with more power and the A10 is just around the corner; reveal date - TBD.

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TBD - To Be Determined for the order dates ending and starting the 2019 and 2020 C7, respectively. No reference AT ALL for the C8.

Facts: An increase in power for the LT1 is well past due and the problematic A8 transmission should have been phased out years ago. Meanwhile, buyers are demanding more ZR1s and manual trans buyers are not happy about the C8.

Bottom line: A refreshed, re-styled C7 with more power and the A10 is just around the corner; reveal date - TBD.
I don't think you understand what "facts" mean. You just listed opinions. I highly doubt the C7 will get the A10 or a refresh.
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TBD - To Be Determined for the order dates ending and starting the 2019 and 2020 C7, respectively. No reference AT ALL for the C8.

Facts: An increase in power for the LT1 is well past due and the problematic A8 transmission should have been phased out years ago. Meanwhile, buyers are demanding more ZR1s and manual trans buyers are not happy about the C8.

Bottom line: A refreshed, re-styled C7 with more power and the A10 is just around the corner; reveal date - TBD.
1. No way an A10. Tadge has stated and it's been on these forums the A10 will not fit in the C7 frame. Period, done.
2. A refresh costs a lot of money, I doubt it will occur for the one or two years tops the C7 has left.
3. As for an HP bump. Hmmm If the ME car is going to use the LT1 in the base and if it gets a kick to 500HP, why not put it in the C7 for a limited time? Interesting.
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
WATCH TODAY’S VLOG; (link below)
https://youtu.be/nyyyG-hUVtA
Today’s upload – we talk about the real possibility of C8 Corvette being a 2021 model year car! We show you details on the 2019 Grand Sport Special Edition cars and as we send off a car to California, we have a story too!Thanks for your YouTube support and business considerations
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Great VLog Rick!!!Hey the ZR1 you have, is it the ZR1 that GM's [COLOR=left=#333333]Mark Reuss crashed on National TV pacing the Detroit Grand Prix?[/COLOR]
[COLOR=left=#333333]Driving a 755-horsepower Chevy Corvette ZR1 leading a pack of race cars around the tight, bumpy road course in Detroit’s signature park is far harder than it looks.[/COLOR]


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1. No way an A10. Tadge has stated and it's been on these forums the A10 will not fit in the C7 frame. Period, done.
2. A refresh costs a lot of money, I doubt it will occur for the one or two years tops the C7 has left.
3. As for an HP bump. Hmmm If the ME car is going to use the LT1 in the base and if it gets a kick to 500HP, why not put it in the C7 for a limited time? Interesting.
1. A10 fits just fine, as Tadge pointed out in the video at BGA, the transmission has NO STRUCTURE around it and the A10 is so compact, it fits in the "same space" as the A8, according to official GM media. Case closed.

2. NOBODY at GM or Corvette has said ANYTHING about when C7 will end. Ever wonder why? Hmmm, could be there is no end date.
3. LT1 should easily be able to get to 500 and since there is NO C8 for the foreseeable future, putting it in the C7 is a no-brainer.
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After waiting this long for a C8 model and having had 460 HP since 2014 in a base Stingray and 707 in a base Hellcat since 2015, am I the only one who would be very underwhelmed with just a 40 HP bump after 6 years and a whole new gen vehicle? I think the base C8 better be closer to 525 or 550 HP to justify six years of spikes in HP at Dodge, Ford and hell even Camaros.

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I don't think you understand what "facts" mean. You just listed opinions. I highly doubt the C7 will get the A10 or a refresh.
So it is not a fact, just my opinion, that buyers are demanding more ZR1s? Really?

It is not a fact that the LT1, which began 6 years ago with the same HP, is overdue for a power upgrade? Are you familiar with the C6 history?

It is not a fact that the A8 has been problematic for 5 years? Do you disagree that manual trans buyers are unhappy with the C8 transmission options?

Those are all well documented facts. If you have some facts to refute them, please provide your evidence.
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1. A10 fits just fine, as Tadge pointed out in the video at BGA, the transmission has NO STRUCTURE around it and the A10 is so compact, it fits in the "same space" as the A8, according to official GM media. Case closed.

2. NOBODY at GM or Corvette has said ANYTHING about when C7 will end. Ever wonder why? Hmmm, could be there is no end date.
3. LT1 should easily be able to get to 500 and since there is NO C8 for the foreseeable future, putting it in the C7 is a no-brainer.
A10 doesnt fit or they would've put in the zr1. Please provide the link that states otherwise.
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A10 doesnt fit or they would've put in the zr1. Please provide the link that states otherwise.
Here you go:

Tadge at BGA shows that there is no structure around the C7 transmission that just bolts directly to the rear axle, at 2:00 minute mark.

Quote from GM media: "A unique triple-clutch assembly in the middle of the 10-speed’s architecture is a primary enabler for packaging 10-speed content in the same space as GM’s six- and eight-speed transmissions." https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html

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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
Here you go:

Tadge at BGA shows that there is no structure around the C7 transmission that just bolts directly to the rear axle, at 2:00 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfi1TbT5BGU&t=218s

Quote from GM media: "A unique triple-clutch assembly in the middle of the 10-speed’s architecture is a primary enabler for packaging 10-speed content in the same space as GM’s six- and eight-speed transmissions." https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html

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"The Corvette keeps the seven-speed manual, but buyers can also choose an automatic for the first time in a ZR1 with GM’s eight-speed with paddle-shift. There was speculation the model could receive GM’s new 10-speed co-developed with Ford, but Juechter said that unit doesn’t fit the Corvette architecture and was never designed to. Instead, they updated the eight-speed to shift faster."

The A10 probably could have been made to work, with a new case, input and output shafts, torque tube and driveshaft, and a bunch of testing.

There's a possibility that the engineers didn't find that transmission to be enough of an advantage to make all that worth doing. You can do anything with enough time and money but it’s not worth it. Still doesn’t fit when you have to redesign the whole driveline architecture.
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"The Corvette keeps the seven-speed manual, but buyers can also choose an automatic for the first time in a ZR1 with GM’s eight-speed with paddle-shift. There was speculation the model could receive GM’s new 10-speed co-developed with Ford, but Juechter said that unit doesn’t fit the Corvette architecture and was never designed to. Instead, they updated the eight-speed to shift faster."

The A10 probably could have been made to work, with a new case, input and output shafts, torque tube and driveshaft, and a bunch of testing.

There's a possibility that the engineers didn't find that transmission to be enough of an advantage to make all that worth doing. You can do anything with enough time and money but it’s not worth it. Still doesn’t fit when you have to redesign the whole driveline architecture.
Does the ZR1 need the 10 speed with 755 hp? Obviously not, so why spend any money to do it?

Unfortunately, the 8A has well known flaws while the 10A functions well across many vehicles. Adding the 10A option to the base Stingray or Grand Sport is a no-brainer and it costs less than the 8A based on the Camaro ZL1.
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"The Corvette keeps the seven-speed manual, but buyers can also choose an automatic for the first time in a ZR1 with GM’s eight-speed with paddle-shift. There was speculation the model could receive GM’s new 10-speed co-developed with Ford, but Juechter said that unit doesn’t fit the Corvette architecture and was never designed to. Instead, they updated the eight-speed to shift faster."

The A10 probably could have been made to work, with a new case, input and output shafts, torque tube and driveshaft, and a bunch of testing.

There's a possibility that the engineers didn't find that transmission to be enough of an advantage to make all that worth doing. You can do anything with enough time and money but it’s not worth it. Still doesn’t fit when you have to redesign the whole driveline architecture.
In the end, you would still have a slush box!
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Does the ZR1 need the 10 speed with 755 hp? Obviously not, so why spend any money to do it?

Unfortunately, the 8A has well known flaws while the 10A functions well across many vehicles. Adding the 10A option to the base Stingray or Grand Sport is a no-brainer and it costs less than the 8A based on the Camaro ZL1.
reingeenering the driveline is not that easy. It would require a lot more than simply making it fit on a performance car that it wasn’t designed for. Would the A10 been better of course but the cost to reingeener and test would’ve made no sense. I’ve had both m7 and the A8 c7 z06 and drove the Zl1 le. In most cases, only those that track the car can tell a difference. I never experienced any of the issues that were reported with the a8. Definelty wasn’t on the level of a pdk like they claimed.
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Have now heard several reasons for the C8 Intro Delay from credible sources. First is the well discussed electrical problem. Now I have heard they didn't have the Aerodynamics right. That would also explain the abrupt stop at Nurburgring. Might explain why several versions of spoiler and quasi wing have been seen. Massive side scoops can play in this as well. Fixing Aero may be a significant delay.
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