What are the chances of a C8 FE and C8 ME revealing together?
01-31-2019, 12:31 PM
#121
Le Mans Master
Exactly! If GM rolls out a $65,000 ME “Corvette”, it would be a piece of crap car, that no one would want. To do a decent ME car, I think we’re talking $100,000 minimum, even for a base model. This puts it out of the reach of your traditional Corvette buyer, and in a whole new market. I believe there will be a FE Corvette AND a ME car with another name. Both cars can exist at the same time. The FE car will be a “re-fresh” of the C7, possibly with revised body panels. It may be called the C8.
Also a panel refresh has never been a mark of a new generation.* But stranger things can happen. Just because the plant doubled in size, that doesn't mean ****. For all we know they built a full blown indoor testing area and lab so that all the R&D doesn't have to be done in the public eye. Mercury marine has something along the lines of that as well but it's just an indoor laboratory at lake X. They could also be moving the race stuff there perhaps... it is all speculation.
*Technically the C3 used the majority of the C2 under pinnings.
01-31-2019, 12:31 PM
#122
Race Director
First of all, GM did not just release a "Final Edition" 2019 Corvette model. It is a "Special Edition", and that doesn't mean it's the last edition.
Heck, the C6 Z06 was first released in 2006 and in 2007 GM released a "Special Edition' model(Ron fellows edition), and then another "Special Edition" Z06 in 2008, and then some additional "Special Editions" in 2009, and the C6 Z06 wasn't discontinued until 2013, some 6 years later from when they released their FIRST "Special Edition" 2007 C6 Z06..
So much for "Special Editions " being "Final Editions" as some want to claim to further their cause..
Heck, the C6 Z06 was first released in 2006 and in 2007 GM released a "Special Edition' model(Ron fellows edition), and then another "Special Edition" Z06 in 2008, and then some additional "Special Editions" in 2009, and the C6 Z06 wasn't discontinued until 2013, some 6 years later from when they released their FIRST "Special Edition" 2007 C6 Z06..
So much for "Special Editions " being "Final Editions" as some want to claim to further their cause..
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01-31-2019, 12:31 PM
#123
Melting Slicks
Exactly! If GM rolls out a $65,000 ME “Corvette”, it would be a piece of crap car, that no one would want. To do a decent ME car, I think we’re talking $100,000 minimum, even for a base model. This puts it out of the reach of your traditional Corvette buyer, and in a whole new market. I believe there will be a FE Corvette AND a ME car with another name. Both cars can exist at the same time. The FE car will be a “re-fresh” of the C7, possibly with revised body panels. It may be called the C8.
Why do people have this notion that ME cars have to be super expensive? Just because the current offerings tend to be pricier, there is really nothing special about ME that necessitates a high price tag. They simply aren't a very desirable format outside of sports/performance cars, that is why you don't see many low cost options. There are plenty of affordable ME cars that were under $65k: Boxster, MR2, even another GM product, the Fiero.
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JerryU (01-31-2019)
01-31-2019, 12:34 PM
#124
Race Director
Why do people have this notion that ME cars have to be super expensive? Just because the current offerings tend to be pricier, there is really nothing special about ME that necessitates a high price tag. They simply aren't a very desirable format outside of sports/performance cars, that is why you don't see many low cost options. There are plenty of affordable ME cars that were under $65k: Boxster, MR2, even another GM product, the Fiero.
01-31-2019, 12:39 PM
#125
Melting Slicks
And how many of those (Fiero, Alfa 4C, Boxster, MR2) have 500+ HP with DCTs, mag ride control, etc etc etc? Apples and oranges.
EDIT: 4C 0-60 time is 4.4 sec. 2014 Z51 car is 3.8.
EDIT: 4C 0-60 time is 4.4 sec. 2014 Z51 car is 3.8.
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01-31-2019, 12:42 PM
#126
Totally false. Tadge is on record that he could do a ME car for about $5K more than the current car with the majority of the expense being the transmission. We all know it will have the Tremec 7-speed DCT. Additionally. I would gladly take a basic $65K ME Corvette. The standard Stignray isn't a piece of crap car and the ME variant won't be either. Some of us like keeping it simple.
While your statement about the supplier plant expansion being old data is correct, the replacement parts theory has no credibility. Why didn't the C5 or C6 need these additional panels? Why can't the supplier simply stock up for future spare parts? The only reason for the supplier to expand is new demand coming up based on a two car model. Did GM change their mind between then and today? Very possible. But the two car BG plant has way more credibility than the vast amount of speculation on the C8 forum.
As for the "Final Edition" pretty hard to argue with that except, why just Europe? The place to move $3,000 option stickers is the USA. Why isn't it available here?
As for the "Final Edition" pretty hard to argue with that except, why just Europe? The place to move $3,000 option stickers is the USA. Why isn't it available here?
The car says "Final Edition" in big black letters on the side.
01-31-2019, 12:43 PM
#127
First of all, GM did not just release a "Final Edition" 2019 Corvette model. It is a "Special Edition", and that doesn't mean it's the last edition.
Heck, the C6 Z06 was first released in 2006 and in 2007 GM released a "Special Edition' model(Ron fellows edition), and then another "Special Edition" Z06 in 2008, and then some additional "Special Editions" in 2009, and the C6 Z06 wasn't discontinued until 2013, some 6 years later from when they released their FIRST "Special Edition" 2007 C6 Z06..
So much for "Special Editions " being "Final Editions" as some want to claim to further their cause..
GMAuthority(not connected with GM) said it is a "Final Edition". This is what was actually said...
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“Thanks to its unique combination of racing technology, excellent driving dynamics, unmistakable style and high everyday suitability, the Corvette has grown to be the ultimate sports car icon,” =leftsaid Chevrolet Europe’s director of performance cars, Felix Weller. “With this =leftspecial edition, we aim to honor the current generation, which has once more contributed greatly to the history of the Corvette series.”
Notice that GM called it a "special edition", not a "final edition".
Heck, the C6 Z06 was first released in 2006 and in 2007 GM released a "Special Edition' model(Ron fellows edition), and then another "Special Edition" Z06 in 2008, and then some additional "Special Editions" in 2009, and the C6 Z06 wasn't discontinued until 2013, some 6 years later from when they released their FIRST "Special Edition" 2007 C6 Z06..
So much for "Special Editions " being "Final Editions" as some want to claim to further their cause..
GMAuthority(not connected with GM) said it is a "Final Edition". This is what was actually said...
=left
“Thanks to its unique combination of racing technology, excellent driving dynamics, unmistakable style and high everyday suitability, the Corvette has grown to be the ultimate sports car icon,” =leftsaid Chevrolet Europe’s director of performance cars, Felix Weller. “With this =leftspecial edition, we aim to honor the current generation, which has once more contributed greatly to the history of the Corvette series.”
Notice that GM called it a "special edition", not a "final edition".
01-31-2019, 12:44 PM
#128
Pro
It's not singularly about where the engine is! Refer to the List of Components...and you will see why this car will cost more! Below is a link!
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-corvette.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-corvette.html
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01-31-2019, 12:47 PM
#130
Melting Slicks
If you are arguing that going from a turbo 4 to a V8 is going to make up the rest of that $40k, well I simply have no arguments.
01-31-2019, 12:47 PM
#131
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Wait, you just called companies out of the blue, and they were happy to put you through to random engineers who were happy to talk about confidential projects??? What am I missing here? I find it incredible that you would find one engineer willing to talk on the record about prototype projects, let alone three from three different companies.
Also, were these prototype or production tooling? Having been in the loop for tooling purchase before, I find it incredible that any sort of production tooling would have been bought years in advance.
Also, were these prototype or production tooling? Having been in the loop for tooling purchase before, I find it incredible that any sort of production tooling would have been bought years in advance.
01-31-2019, 12:54 PM
#132
Pro
And that is why one of the very first photos we saw, over a year and a half ago, was of a front and rear fascia being painted red - in the factory - by GM. These molds are finalized years in advance and are rarely, if ever, altered given the cost and the final sign off by the manufacturer and client.
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01-31-2019, 12:57 PM
#133
Advanced
I'm still not following. Why is someone trading in a ZR1 for an inferior car? That doesn't make any sense to me.
01-31-2019, 01:00 PM
#134
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Totally false. Tadge is on record that he could do a ME car for about $5K more than the current car with the majority of the expense being the transmission. We all know it will have the Tremec 7-speed DCT. Additionally. I would gladly take a basic $65K ME Corvette. The standard Stignray isn't a piece of crap car and the ME variant won't be either. Some of us like keeping it simple.
C5 and C6 did need additional panels... they were made and stocked. Also, it's not uncommon to do a contract out to a future date "just in case" with the right to wrap up early.
The car says "Final Edition" in big black letters on the side.
C5 and C6 did need additional panels... they were made and stocked. Also, it's not uncommon to do a contract out to a future date "just in case" with the right to wrap up early.
The car says "Final Edition" in big black letters on the side.
01-31-2019, 01:09 PM
#136
Advanced
The premise of your argument that ZR1 prices will tank is that you believe everyone who owns a ZR1 is going to run out and trade in their ZR1 for a clearly inferior $65k car? Maybe one or two will do that just to try out a new model, but all of them?
01-31-2019, 01:11 PM
#137
So Skank, I'm waiting to hear your explanation for the C7 Final Edition.
01-31-2019, 01:15 PM
#140
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