84 4+3

Out of everyone that bought a ZR1, let's just make an assumption of the buyer base. X amount bought it because they wanted the ZR1 purely for a track machine. Y amount bought it because they wanted the fastest vette available. Z amount purely want to say they have the latest and greatest one. That Z amount is the the group going to be trading in on a base ME. The X amount probably will wait until a Z06 esque model comes out and the Y amount will be split 50/50 or so. The Y and Z group are similar but the Z group cares solely about the prestige. This demographic exists in all models in the line up however it shifts toward Y and Z as you go up. It essentially becomes who has the largest di*k contest as everyone slaps each other with theirs.

Not included in those breakdowns are people who just want a corvette. It isn't required to be listed because it encompasses all three groups. The definitive thing is for what reason do you want that vette. Track guys would probably rathertake a middle of the road model and mod it themselves rather than risk a rather expensive ZR1 om the track, plus it's set up the exact way they want. There is always going to be the flock who wants to be the first baller. The only problem is how much money you have to ball with. How many ZR1s you think are even being pushed remotely close to the limit going to the supermarket or drug store or country club. Take a hard look at the real demographic.

C7pimp

Or the plans never changed because they weren't what you thought they were to begin with?

Azferrari

Foosh

You're right that a ZR1 owner is not likely to trade for a $65K ME, but it's a silly argument. Only about 2K ZR1s will have been built and sold in the ZR1s first year of production. The market for a $65K ME will be owners of the approximately 100,000 C7 Stingrays produced and sold since intro, along with new enthusiasts interested in Corvette for the first time. More than 36,000 were built in the 14MY alone.

OnPoint

This.

Just like we didn't see many C6 ZR1s traded in on C7 Stingrays. Those buyers know a higher hp variant in likely coming and that's what they're interested in. And the handful of the 4,500 C6 ZR owners that did trade just to have the latest, is a drop in the bucket.

skank

$65,000.00 ME are a fantasy for the Walmart shopper crowd.

ltomn

And the $75,000 one is for the Costco crowd!!

84 4+3

Or target.

Randy Miller

There will be some in group Z for sure, but there are also people in group X and group Y that don't quite have the money for a used ZR1 yet that will buy it if it falls a few thousand and puts it in their price range. For the price to truly "crater" there would have to be a lot more people in group Z than there are people in group X and Y that would buy a ZR1 if the price falls just a little bit.

Foosh

You're always moving the target around aren't you? It was YOU who made the silly point that ZR1 owners aren't going to trade for a $65K ME (your words).

I don't know if we'll see a $65K ME or not, but you own the point you tried and failed to make.

84 4+3

True. There are surely a lot of people buying the ZR1 because it is exactly what they want and wouldn't take anything else. How many of them fall there. Who friggin knows lol.

skank

I'm just trying to keep up with you Foosh. You're the pro comedian and you're a tough man to follow.

C7pimp

Porsche Cayman starts in at $56,900



Bro, stop talkin bull$#!+

John T

Great photos on the frames, thanks Shaka

ltomn

Let's let this one go, Foosh. All Skank was doing was making an example of the extremes. Now, getting onto reality, we all know there isn't going to be a $65k-$75k ME. I'd be surprised if they are able to keep it in the $90's.

ltomn

Apples and oranges!!! Who should stop talking BS??

skank

You mean the hairdressers car?

RapidC84B

It hasn't been done because other companies don't have a sea of pick-up trucks and a luxury brand to amortize the cost of the development of the V8. Silly European cars have displacement taxes to deal with so they resort to small turbocharged engines. It's coming

"The problem was really the front-mid-engine layout–we couldn’t get the engine low enough and far back enough for proper weight transfer to the rear wheels under acceleration,” Lutz writes. While Lutz was afraid that a mid-engine car would move the Corvette into a much higher price category, Juechter said back then that though the transmission would be more expensive, the final MSRP wouldn’t be more than $5,000 higher. Of course, we all know that about that time, General Motors began going through severe economic problems, and the mid-engine idea again had to take a back seat."

C7pimp

No, it's not apples and oranges. It's red apples vs green apples.
They are both ME sports cars cars. How is that apples and oranges?

Him stating that a $65,000 ME is a fantasy, then I point out that one that is already a great performing car already exists at $56,900 is him talking bull$#!+.

You could even replace the motor with an a LT1 at factory cost and still come in under $60K, just like the current C7 does.

Nevermind that GM themselves says a Corvette ME architecture would only cost about $5k more than the current one. Wow, how quickly do we forget?

Fantasy my @$$, it's reality.

Some people think an ME is a mystical unicorn.

Foosh

I'll let go what I want to let go, and respond as the spirit moves me. I won't tell you what to do either. I kept my powder dry until Skank kept arguing the point as various folks rebutted him.

With regard to the rest of your post, prepare to be more than surprised, perhaps even humiliated.