What are the chances of a C8 FE and C8 ME revealing together?
01-31-2019, 03:16 PM
#181
First of all, I never compared the performance capabilities of two cars at all.
I simply pointed out the fact that you saying a $65,000 ME "a fantasy" is completely absurd. An ME car already exists for $56,900. Fact. It's not as fast as a corvette but it exists. The point is, the architecture of the chassis in and of itself doesn't warrant a massive boost in factory cost. It simply does not. Fact.
"Derp, 1,000hp ZORA vs Audi TT competitor, derp you're dumb pimp, derp..."
Except for I never even remotely implied anything of the sort. I proved your false and ignorant statement wrong. Get over it. Go take a nap.
Last edited by C7pimp; 01-31-2019 at 03:19 PM.
01-31-2019, 03:17 PM
#182
lol
Its amazing how people are trying to find any reason to say the base car is going to be super expensive. Dual rear brakes are all the rage! Lmao I can just see where he googled that, saw it on a McLaren, and made some wild assumption about it.
Its amazing how people are trying to find any reason to say the base car is going to be super expensive. Dual rear brakes are all the rage! Lmao I can just see where he googled that, saw it on a McLaren, and made some wild assumption about it.
Last edited by smithers; 01-31-2019 at 03:20 PM.
01-31-2019, 03:20 PM
#183
So these engineers you spoke with told you they had created the molds/dies for two different fascias?
How do you know it was for two Corvettes of different engine configurations instead of one set being for the base model and another for the ZO6/ZR1/Grandsport/whatever?
Not that they would give such info to a random caller, especially after the random caller said "I'm going to post what you tell me on a popular Corvette internet forum."
How do you know it was for two Corvettes of different engine configurations instead of one set being for the base model and another for the ZO6/ZR1/Grandsport/whatever?
Not that they would give such info to a random caller, especially after the random caller said "I'm going to post what you tell me on a popular Corvette internet forum."
Last edited by Foosh; 01-31-2019 at 03:21 PM.
01-31-2019, 03:21 PM
#184
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Tool, I suggest you study up on the latest duel caliper brake systems for mid engine cars. Ferrari, Lamborghini, and McLaren are all testing them out. You're thinking of a generic rear parking brake. No correlation.
01-31-2019, 03:22 PM
#185
Pimp, the Cayman was no more then Porsche's effort to get prices down to where a hairdresser or secretary could afford one of their cars. They cut all sorts of corners to build these things to get into that price range. Zora Duntov is rolling over in his grave listening to you compare the Cayman to the pending ME.
I never directly compared their capabilities. The C7 already far outdoes the Cayman. Obviously the C8 will be even that much better (which, btw, doesn't need to cost $100,000 to do)
01-31-2019, 03:26 PM
#186
Race Director
01-31-2019, 03:30 PM
#187
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Ya, when I PM'd you on that months ago and told you that encounter you immediately dismissed it without contemplating the information at hand. That talk I had is a fact. If you choose not to believe that, keep your head in the sand and don't believe. That's fine!
01-31-2019, 03:35 PM
#188
Race Director
Well, it's a FACT there are $65K ME sports cars for sale (Boxster/Cayman/Alfa 4C) so contrary to what you guys believe, it clearly can be done.
And ANYONE on here trashing the Boxster/Cayman/Alfa 4C has OBVIOUSLY never driven the cars.
Some of you guys should quit while you're behind.
And ANYONE on here trashing the Boxster/Cayman/Alfa 4C has OBVIOUSLY never driven the cars.
Some of you guys should quit while you're behind.
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01-31-2019, 03:44 PM
#190
01-31-2019, 03:48 PM
#191
Pro
Well, it's a FACT there are $65K ME sports cars for sale (Boxster/Cayman/Alfa 4C) so contrary to what you guys believe, it clearly can be done.
And ANYONE on here trashing the Boxster/Cayman/Alfa 4C has OBVIOUSLY never driven the cars.
Some of you guys should quit while you're behind.
And ANYONE on here trashing the Boxster/Cayman/Alfa 4C has OBVIOUSLY never driven the cars.
Some of you guys should quit while you're behind.
01-31-2019, 03:49 PM
#192
Race Director
The majority of braking is handled by the FRONT brakes (you know, front rotors are bigger, 4 or 6 piston calipers verses 2-4 rear, etc) so why would one put 2 calipers on the back brakes (other than dragsters/drift cars)?????
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01-31-2019, 03:50 PM
#193
Because he thinks the parking brake is a hyper exotic dual rear caliper.
01-31-2019, 03:51 PM
#194
01-31-2019, 03:52 PM
#195
Race Director
01-31-2019, 03:57 PM
#196
However, my main problem is that it completely strains credulity that you'd just call someone up out of the blue, and they'd share the secrets you claim. That person would have to be either a poser or a complete idiot.
Last edited by Foosh; 01-31-2019 at 04:02 PM.
01-31-2019, 04:04 PM
#197
Melting Slicks
I just looked at Alfa's site and they do not list active suspension for the 4C (and no references to it in any review I could find). It has less than half the 500+ hp I mentioned.
Porsche does offer DCT and active suspension, but again, missed the 500+hp.
So I'm not sure your argument.
I'm not saying the ME will cost $100k plus, but I am also saying you can't use cars that are not the same as evidence of that just because they are mid or rear engine. Hell, might as well through in the Ariel Atom at around $50k then.
01-31-2019, 04:04 PM
#198
Race Director
^^^^
Don't be silly, I KNOW Ferrari's plans for the next 10 years....
Don't be silly, I KNOW Ferrari's plans for the next 10 years....
01-31-2019, 04:07 PM
#199
Le Mans Master
Lately, we are getting verified info on a revised C7 front engined Corvette with a new ordering code for the 2020 model year. I've always determined from various sources that we had a Y1XX and Y2XX internal code which stands for Y1XX=C7 front engine Corvette and Y2XX=C8 front engine Corvette. We've also learned that the internal code ZERV= C8 mid engined ZORA. I've always thought that we would have both FE and ME C8's going forward to satisfy all prior Corvette owners and creating a new clientele for the upscale ZORA. Since the new Bowling Green Plant has been tripled in size from the plant of a few years ago, it is clear that they have expanded the plant to build both lines easily. I can easily see a revised C7 FE Corvette into a C8 FE Corvette with all new body panels, Interior, LT2 engine, updated and enhanced components that could carry on the lower bandwidth price of 65k to 150k for the front engine lineup. Additionally, I can see a C8 ME Zora Line that could have a 85k to 200k+ bandwidth that would expand the Corvette market with new potentially International clientele without affecting the traditional Corvette buyer.
I've always thought that only having a ME would absolutely crater the existing C7 upper eschelon of ZO6 and ZR1 values. Particularly if the C8 ME started at 65k-70k. It makes no sense to reduce prior Corvette valuations by bringing the ME price down to where the C7 currently sits. Ferrari would never do such backhanded pricing to cut the throat of their higher end cars. Corvette marketing easily understands this and will protect the recent ZR1 owners from having their brand new ZR1 devalued. Hence, I think there's a likelyhood of GM revealing both C8 FE and C8 ME ZORA at the same time to eliminate the confusion going on now in the forums. Doing a double reveal will position both configurations where we forum members can now make informed and logical pricing decisions without the massive confusion thats going on right now.
Also, the current nomenclature will remain FE= Stingray, Grand Sport, ZO6, ZR1 and the ME= ZORA with a few additional model iterations ( ie. ZORA, ZORA GT, ZORA S, ZORA RS, etc.). GM surely would not pirate the traditional names for a entirely new configuration of Corvette. ZORA is a model, not an entirely new Corvette lineup. I also think both C8 FE and C8 ME will be left hand and right hand drives to further service the International Market. Having both configurations will eliminate the chaos.
I've always thought that only having a ME would absolutely crater the existing C7 upper eschelon of ZO6 and ZR1 values. Particularly if the C8 ME started at 65k-70k. It makes no sense to reduce prior Corvette valuations by bringing the ME price down to where the C7 currently sits. Ferrari would never do such backhanded pricing to cut the throat of their higher end cars. Corvette marketing easily understands this and will protect the recent ZR1 owners from having their brand new ZR1 devalued. Hence, I think there's a likelyhood of GM revealing both C8 FE and C8 ME ZORA at the same time to eliminate the confusion going on now in the forums. Doing a double reveal will position both configurations where we forum members can now make informed and logical pricing decisions without the massive confusion thats going on right now.
Also, the current nomenclature will remain FE= Stingray, Grand Sport, ZO6, ZR1 and the ME= ZORA with a few additional model iterations ( ie. ZORA, ZORA GT, ZORA S, ZORA RS, etc.). GM surely would not pirate the traditional names for a entirely new configuration of Corvette. ZORA is a model, not an entirely new Corvette lineup. I also think both C8 FE and C8 ME will be left hand and right hand drives to further service the International Market. Having both configurations will eliminate the chaos.
The FE is going away, plain and simply. GM has no valid reason to produce a C8 FE for several reasons but the primary ones are these: The C8 will be available sub $80K well appointed for a base model. The Camaro is really a better FE car, plain and simply. It looks better, performs better in many less expensive versions, will still have a manual trans and a small back seat. Not to mention will have many cheaper models over which to spread out development costs.
01-31-2019, 04:08 PM
#200
Race Director
I note you excluded the combination of "500+hp, DCT, and active suspension", so not sure your point.
I just looked at Alfa's site and they do not list active suspension for the 4C (and no references to it in any review I could find). It has less than half the 500+ hp I mentioned.
Porsche does offer DCT and active suspension, but again, missed the 500+hp.
So I'm not sure your argument.
I'm not saying the ME will cost $100k plus, but I am also saying you can't use cars that are not the same as evidence of that just because they are mid or rear engine. Hell, might as well through in the Ariel Atom at around $50k then.
I just looked at Alfa's site and they do not list active suspension for the 4C (and no references to it in any review I could find). It has less than half the 500+ hp I mentioned.
Porsche does offer DCT and active suspension, but again, missed the 500+hp.
So I'm not sure your argument.
I'm not saying the ME will cost $100k plus, but I am also saying you can't use cars that are not the same as evidence of that just because they are mid or rear engine. Hell, might as well through in the Ariel Atom at around $50k then.
And calling the Boxster/Cayman "hairdressers" cars shows a complete lack of understanding of how GOOD these cars are.
Last edited by jimmyb; 01-31-2019 at 04:09 PM.