What are the chances of a C8 FE and C8 ME revealing together?
02-01-2019, 04:17 PM
#281
02-01-2019, 05:02 PM
#282
Pro
Some are living in a car nut dream world without thinking about, or having any comprehension of, the business realities. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that GM would abandon the successful model they have carved out for Corvette. Suddenly deciding to go head-to-head with the prestige manufacturers, who have built their exotic and exclusive reputations over many decades is a sure-fire crash and burn strategy.
FGT is purely a Ford marketing campaign, not a profit center.
FGT is purely a Ford marketing campaign, not a profit center.
02-01-2019, 05:08 PM
#283
Your theory that you no doubt obtained from your Skanky running mate that I'm a "career bureaucrat" is yet another of your many erroneous conclusions. I am not.
I have spent decades in the private sector and was a senior executive at a Fortune 100 company. I have also served on corporate boards and government advisory committees, where I evaluated many dozens of business cases. I am well-versed in corporate decision making and how one goes about building a business case. I am currently serving a 5-year term in an appointed position.
I have spent decades in the private sector and was a senior executive at a Fortune 100 company. I have also served on corporate boards and government advisory committees, where I evaluated many dozens of business cases. I am well-versed in corporate decision making and how one goes about building a business case. I am currently serving a 5-year term in an appointed position.
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02-01-2019, 05:12 PM
#284
Pro
I am only moderately surprised, Foosh, since your attitude resembles that of a bureaucrat. I recall a post, some time ago, where you admitted to working "for" or "on" a government program. However, I could be incorrect as I have been known to be such in the past.
02-01-2019, 05:13 PM
#285
Team Owner
Your theory that you no doubt obtained from your Skanky running mate that I'm a career bureaucrat is yet another of your many erroneous conclusions. I am not. I have spent decades in the private sector and was a senior executive at a Fortune 100 company. I have also served on corporate boards and government advisory committees. I am currently serving a 5-year term in an appointed position.
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02-01-2019, 05:23 PM
#286
Yes, I've worked on many gov programs in both the public and private sectors. The gov doesn't operate without the private sector. I've been on both sides throughout my career.
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02-01-2019, 05:46 PM
#287
Team Owner
How many decades of manufacturing experience do you have, working day in/day out as an engineer/ engineering manager for one or more large manufacturing companies where you have daily responsibility for how the product is manufactured, and responsible for the corporate cost reduction program?
How many tens of millions of dollars have you spent buying machine tools, dies, etc that are used in everyday manufacturing?
How many times have you been a senior team member/leader setting up/relocating new/existing manufacturing operations in new locations?
How many contracts have you negotiated and signed for you company regarding both manufacturing processes and items used to manufacture products?
How many of the products that your company manufactures have you personally engineered/designed whether all or part of?
How many decades have you spent actually working inside a manufacturing plant in a technical or management position?
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02-01-2019, 06:22 PM
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02-01-2019, 06:57 PM
#291
Race Director
I think the answer to your question is pretty clear based upon the sales numbers of sports cars in various price brackets. Based upon first-year ZR1 sales, the market for a $130K Corvette is around 2K per year. ME novelty may push it a bit higher, but no one sells more than about that number of units in that price range with the possible exception of Porsche given its worldwide sales presence.
To make a profit with that sales volume, you have to get into Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren, and Porsche GT2 RS price territory, where a Corvette would struggle with its legacy as a "bargain" sports car. The ZR1 can only be profitably built and sold at the current price because it shares the majority of its components (e.g. short block, chassis, transmission, eDiff, electronics, computers, modules, HVAC, all interior parts, glass and many other components) with lesser C7s.
To make a profit with that sales volume, you have to get into Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren, and Porsche GT2 RS price territory, where a Corvette would struggle with its legacy as a "bargain" sports car. The ZR1 can only be profitably built and sold at the current price because it shares the majority of its components (e.g. short block, chassis, transmission, eDiff, electronics, computers, modules, HVAC, all interior parts, glass and many other components) with lesser C7s.
The the only way Chevy is able to sell the ZR1 at low price of $130,000 is that it is an option package on a relatively high production car. The only reason exotics are so expensive is that they build so few. They don’t build enough to spread the development cost across to get the price down. If the ZR1 was a stand alone model, without the standard Corvette, it would probably be priced in the $400,000 range.
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02-01-2019, 10:54 PM
#292
Race Director
02-01-2019, 11:05 PM
#293
Melting Slicks
What kind of engineer are you?
How many decades of manufacturing experience do you have, working day in/day out as an engineer/ engineering manager for one or more large manufacturing companies where you have daily responsibility for how the product is manufactured, and responsible for the corporate cost reduction program?
How many tens of millions of dollars have you spent buying machine tools, dies, etc that are used in everyday manufacturing?
How many times have you been a senior team member/leader setting up/relocating new/existing manufacturing operations in new locations?
How many contracts have you negotiated and signed for you company regarding both manufacturing processes and items used to manufacture products?
How many of the products that your company manufactures have you personally engineered/designed whether all or part of?
How many decades have you spent actually working inside a manufacturing plant in a technical or management position?
How many decades of manufacturing experience do you have, working day in/day out as an engineer/ engineering manager for one or more large manufacturing companies where you have daily responsibility for how the product is manufactured, and responsible for the corporate cost reduction program?
How many tens of millions of dollars have you spent buying machine tools, dies, etc that are used in everyday manufacturing?
How many times have you been a senior team member/leader setting up/relocating new/existing manufacturing operations in new locations?
How many contracts have you negotiated and signed for you company regarding both manufacturing processes and items used to manufacture products?
How many of the products that your company manufactures have you personally engineered/designed whether all or part of?
How many decades have you spent actually working inside a manufacturing plant in a technical or management position?
But I'm just a mid level validation engineer who has worked for two Tier I suppliers, so I probably don't know much about how any of this works.
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02-01-2019, 11:08 PM
#294
Race Director
Unless it is literally a one man operation, it is very rare that any person one would do all those things. Technical leads don't procure tooling. Plant supervisors don't negotiate contracts. Sales people doesn't set up new manufacturing locations. Designers don't audit supply chains.
But I'm just a mid level validation engineer who has worked for two Tier I suppliers, so I probably don't know much about how any of this works.
But I'm just a mid level validation engineer who has worked for two Tier I suppliers, so I probably don't know much about how any of this works.
02-01-2019, 11:51 PM
#295
The C8 FE “Corvette”. Base price $60,000.
A ME “Zora”. Base price $100,000.
I may be wrong.
Why is the Bowling Green Plant double the size it was two years ago? And, no...it’s not just a “state of the art new paint shop”.
(The red box shows the main entrance in both photos, just for reference)
02-02-2019, 12:07 AM
#296
Team Owner
If true why no spy shots of new FE C8 driving around?
02-02-2019, 12:14 AM
#297
Team Owner
This may mean absolutely nothing but one of our GM dealerships here has changed it's name to Jack Carter Chevrolet Buick GMC Cadillac Corvette. Note that four of the five names are makes as we know it, could it be that Corvette will be it's own make with 2 different vehicles altogether?
02-02-2019, 12:47 AM
#299
Le Mans Master
This may mean absolutely nothing but one of our GM dealerships here has changed it's name to Jack Carter Chevrolet Buick GMC Cadillac Corvette. Note that four of the five names are makes as we know it, could it be that Corvette will be it's own make with 2 different vehicles altogether?
02-02-2019, 01:01 AM
#300
Race Director
i think there will be two cars made.
The C8 FE “Corvette”. Base price $60,000.
A ME “Zora”. Base price $100,000.
I may be wrong.
Why is the Bowling Green Plant double the size it was two years ago? And, no...it’s not just a “state of the art new paint shop”.
(The red box shows the main entrance in both photos, just for reference)
I can can see another line for something else, but not Vette related. One problem would be finding workers for another line.