What are the chances of a C8 FE and C8 ME revealing together?
03-06-2019, 02:27 PM
#602
Melting Slicks
GM also built a rear engine car 50 years ago which was also a failure. So now you think GM is going to take its best brand and roll the dice on another ME exclusively. Why would GM do that when it obviously has the capacity and capability to build a FE Corvette and thereby hedge its bet the same way Porsche did when it built the 928 that was going to replace the 911? Was Porsche stupid to keep on building the 911?
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03-06-2019, 02:54 PM
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Burning Brakes
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03-06-2019, 03:05 PM
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03-06-2019, 03:08 PM
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Burning Brakes
03-06-2019, 03:08 PM
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As a class host at the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance for the last 8 years, it is my responsibility to bone up on the classification that I show and protect. I have to study up on the manufacturer and the historical significance of their design and engineering of their cars. I can assure you Aston Martin will never walk away from their FE cars even though they are now starting to build ME cars. Ferrari will never ever walk away from both FE or ME configuations. Lamborghini, Porsche, Maserati, and many more would never do such a idiotic move of walking away from their heritage. You guys are nuts if you think Corvette would do that. Not going to happen!
03-06-2019, 03:14 PM
#607
Melting Slicks
"The General Motors Corporation will recall 244,000 four-cylinder Pontiac Fieros -every one ever made - because of a nagging engine-fire problem that contributed to the company's decision to stop making the two-seater." NYTimes, 1/24/90
Your argument is obviously up in smoke!
03-06-2019, 03:26 PM
#608
Burning Brakes
03-06-2019, 03:56 PM
#610
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Eight years ago I was one of three on the featured Marque of the Concours which was the Ferrari 250 GTO. Twenty two of the remaining thirty were at the show that year. A combined value of more than a half billion dollars for those 22 cars. I let Piero Ferrari behind the line to see them up close and walked with him to view the cars. Knowing that Ferrari's most valuable cars (front engined) in their companies history is critical to their design direction. He and all the other top brass from these companies understand this.
03-06-2019, 04:04 PM
#611
Today is not your best vocabulary effort, first "riddled" and now this.
Provenance pertains to history or origin, not to evolution, which is more a more apt descriptor of what we're talking about here. Provenance sometimes, but not always, influences the evolution of new designs. Over time, the influence of provenance becomes less of a factor in contemporary designs, and that is true at every manufacturer.
It's as silly to invoke "provenance" in a discussion of FE vs ME, as it is to say aircraft must have propellers and piston engines, and Cadillacs must have fins. You do seem to live in the past.
However, an important element of Corvette provenance is that the design team has been trying to get a ME Corvette approved for over 50 years.
Provenance pertains to history or origin, not to evolution, which is more a more apt descriptor of what we're talking about here. Provenance sometimes, but not always, influences the evolution of new designs. Over time, the influence of provenance becomes less of a factor in contemporary designs, and that is true at every manufacturer.
It's as silly to invoke "provenance" in a discussion of FE vs ME, as it is to say aircraft must have propellers and piston engines, and Cadillacs must have fins. You do seem to live in the past.
However, an important element of Corvette provenance is that the design team has been trying to get a ME Corvette approved for over 50 years.
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03-06-2019, 04:09 PM
#612
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Try again Foosh ! You have to get out more often and see the car world. This may help you in your quest for acceptance within the elite class. Since you are trying to dumb down the C8 for the common man, this will raise your bar.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...and-drink.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...and-drink.html
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03-06-2019, 04:13 PM
#613
Melting Slicks
So how do you like that rear spoiler we have seen? Pretty sexy, huh?
Shifting an auto trans is your idea of a sports car?
From what we have seen so far, the ME has been severely beaten with an ugly stick.
How about $85K to start for a base model? Does that get your motor running?
And don't forget GM has such a great reputation for building all new cars from the ground up. Do you enjoy spending lots of time at your friendly Chevy dealer's service department?
Making the ME the only Corvette is a huge gamble because, apart from a few track rats, there is no demand for the ME which is exactly why Corvette has never built one all these years.
Shifting an auto trans is your idea of a sports car?
From what we have seen so far, the ME has been severely beaten with an ugly stick.
How about $85K to start for a base model? Does that get your motor running?
And don't forget GM has such a great reputation for building all new cars from the ground up. Do you enjoy spending lots of time at your friendly Chevy dealer's service department?
Making the ME the only Corvette is a huge gamble because, apart from a few track rats, there is no demand for the ME which is exactly why Corvette has never built one all these years.
DCT is the future of sports cars, regardless of what manual gearbox fans want to think. All the advantages of manual with the added advantage of being much faster, more precise, and being able to be automatically controlled without offering a second gearbox option.
As one who actually works close up with heavily camo'd cars, I'll tell you right now even I don't know what most look like without the covers until we pull them off. Camo artists do good work.
No one knows pricing.
Why do you own a Corvette then?
There really is no demand for 2 seat sports cars in general, but there is plenty of demand for ME in that very small group of folks.
Time for you to "Bone Up" on the greatest cars in the world. The current world record price paid for a car is $72 million for a front engined Ferrari 250 GTO. Front engined cars hold the next top nine places. That doesn't mean that a mid engine car doesn't deserve the best handling configuration. All the top Sportscar companies are doing both FE and ME configurations (Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, Porsche). Corvette is doing the same.
What is a Corvette ME worth? Nobody knows because nobody has ever bought one and that is the problem. There is no clear market for the ME Corvette and the whole Corvette brand is based on FE.
Buyers are begging for ZR1s and Corvette can't build them fast enough. The ME will be less desirable for sure.
Buyers are begging for ZR1s and Corvette can't build them fast enough. The ME will be less desirable for sure.
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03-06-2019, 04:17 PM
#614
Melting Slicks
As a class host at the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance for the last 8 years, it is my responsibility to bone up on the classification that I show and protect. I have to study up on the manufacturer and the historical significance of their design and engineering of their cars. I can assure you Aston Martin will never walk away from their FE cars even though they are now starting to build ME cars. Ferrari will never ever walk away from both FE or ME configuations. Lamborghini, Porsche, Maserati, and many more would never do such a idiotic move of walking away from their heritage. You guys are nuts if you think Corvette would do that. Not going to happen!
Well let's see, the last time GM built a mid-engine car was 30 years ago and it lasted only 5 years. It was a failure and GM has built FE cars ever since.
GM also built a rear engine car 50 years ago which was also a failure. So now you think GM is going to take its best brand and roll the dice on another ME exclusively. Why would GM do that when it obviously has the capacity and capability to build a FE Corvette and thereby hedge its bet the same way Porsche did when it built the 928 that was going to replace the 911? Was Porsche stupid to keep on building the 911?
GM also built a rear engine car 50 years ago which was also a failure. So now you think GM is going to take its best brand and roll the dice on another ME exclusively. Why would GM do that when it obviously has the capacity and capability to build a FE Corvette and thereby hedge its bet the same way Porsche did when it built the 928 that was going to replace the 911? Was Porsche stupid to keep on building the 911?
As far as the Fiero, yes they had some issues, but I'd hardly call the car a failure, it was handicapped by the bean counters as it was intended to be economical. If you can't see a difference between that and a Corvette, which has many of those restrictions removed, then you should probably do a bit more research.
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03-06-2019, 04:19 PM
#615
As I said, I am willing to bet whatever you would like that when the C8 ME Vette goes into production, the front engine Vette will be history. You name the amount.
03-06-2019, 04:23 PM
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03-06-2019, 05:03 PM
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Well let's see, the last time GM built a mid-engine car was 30 years ago and it lasted only 5 years. It was a failure and GM has built FE cars ever since.
GM also built a rear engine car 50 years ago which was also a failure. So now you think GM is going to take its best brand and roll the dice on another ME exclusively. Why would GM do that when it obviously has the capacity and capability to build a FE Corvette and thereby hedge its bet the same way Porsche did when it built the 928 that was going to replace the 911? Was Porsche stupid to keep on building the 911?
GM also built a rear engine car 50 years ago which was also a failure. So now you think GM is going to take its best brand and roll the dice on another ME exclusively. Why would GM do that when it obviously has the capacity and capability to build a FE Corvette and thereby hedge its bet the same way Porsche did when it built the 928 that was going to replace the 911? Was Porsche stupid to keep on building the 911?
A lot of Corvair collectors would call Ralph Nader the failure, not the car. 😂
03-06-2019, 05:10 PM
#620
As a class host at the Pebble Beach Concours D'Elegance for the last 8 years, it is my responsibility to bone up on the classification that I show and protect. I have to study up on the manufacturer and the historical significance of their design and engineering of their cars. I can assure you Aston Martin will never walk away from their FE cars even though they are now starting to build ME cars. Ferrari will never ever walk away from both FE or ME configuations. Lamborghini, Porsche, Maserati, and many more would never do such a idiotic move of walking away from their heritage. You guys are nuts if you think Corvette would do that. Not going to happen!
Then, yes, I’m nuts, however, I too do the concours at Pebble Beach, only as a lowly spectator, but I know that the D in d’Elegance should be lower case.