Has Ed Welburn basically confirm the C8?
#41
Is that official? First I've heard that the 7th gen is on ice.
#42
Drifting
The car has good styling, but it's 6" too tall all around. Look at one next to the older ones (not gen 5) and it's just giant. I'm 6'3" and I hate how high the belt line is in them. That's my gripe... good looks, good performance, way too tall.
Is that official? First I've heard that the 7th gen is on ice.
Is that official? First I've heard that the 7th gen is on ice.
Now that I think about it, the high belt line is custom made for those perverts you read about who drive around masturbating, lol.
Is the termination official? No, but people inside GM are pissed so they're talking.
For public info, google Oppenheiser's departure from the Camaro team. His comments make it obvious he was forced out and his replacement is Mark Dickens, executive director of GM performance parts and accessories, someone not qualified to oversee development of a new generation Camaro. He's a placeholder to manage decal packages as they finish out the Camaro6 production run.
GM always does this - they create an amazing car, brilliantly engineered, but crippled by a handful of shortcomings. Then all the pro reviewers point out the flaws and tell GM to fix it, so in response GM gives up and EOLs the model. It's amazing the Corvette has survived such a corporate mentality and speaks to the political acumen of Corvette's chief engineers that they've saved the Corvette so many times from certain death.
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#44
Melting Slicks
The problem is how it performs at dealers. Ford's Mustang is cheaper, looks cooler, has a more powerful base engine, larger and more accessable cargo volume, and better visibility. It's better at being a daily driver, and a lot of pony car buyers want a daily driver.
I don't expect it to be shelved, and it will likely be a formality, but that's because competent senior execs don't allow things to go to corporate boards before covering all the bases. If it were to fail at the Board level at this point, senior Chevrolet/Corvette execs will likely be invited to "seek other opportunities and spend more time with their families."
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Banned Scam/Spammer
The current generation Pony Cars are fantastic vehicles. I absolutely love the reports of GT3 snobs getting their asses handed to them by a Mustang GT350. The Camaro ZL1s are absolute beasts also.
#47
Sorry, GM top management has not given the final sign off. I could tell you about all the aerospace/aircraft models that have been fully developed and have not seen the light of day in production, but there is not enough space to list them here. Additionally, those project have cost their companies orders of magnitude more money than a Corvette. You have no idea of the economics involves within large corporations regarding projects. Top management, in general, could care less about a Corvette and the tiny amount of revenue it represents within the larger current and future perspectives.
Unfortunately, enthusiasts always operate with their decision making that has rationalized away objective considerations. The fact they are light years removed from the corporate and financial decision making processes makes their opinion relatively worthless. I wish it were not that way. I
I’ve owned numerous high end Corvettes and driven numerous mid engine cars. I certainly wish the C8 sees the light of day but I am a realist each step of the way from concept to production but the fat lady has not yet sung. If it she had, you could be able to order one today.
Unfortunately, enthusiasts always operate with their decision making that has rationalized away objective considerations. The fact they are light years removed from the corporate and financial decision making processes makes their opinion relatively worthless. I wish it were not that way. I
I’ve owned numerous high end Corvettes and driven numerous mid engine cars. I certainly wish the C8 sees the light of day but I am a realist each step of the way from concept to production but the fat lady has not yet sung. If it she had, you could be able to order one today.
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True. If senior mgmt and the GM board cannot be convinced that the ME project will be successful, they will have no problem killing it and writing off the development costs. The nature of R&D is that it often does not result in production of a new product.
I don't think that will be the case here, but it's possible.
True. If senior mgmt and the GM board cannot be convinced that the ME project will be successful, they will have no problem killing it and writing off the development costs. The nature of R&D is that it often does not result in production of a new product.
I don't think that will be the case here, but it's possible.
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Banned Scam/Spammer
^
True. If senior mgmt and the GM board cannot be convinced that the ME project will be successful, they will have no problem killing it and writing off the development costs. The nature of R&D is that it often does not result in production of a new product.
I don't think that will be the case here, but it's possible.
True. If senior mgmt and the GM board cannot be convinced that the ME project will be successful, they will have no problem killing it and writing off the development costs. The nature of R&D is that it often does not result in production of a new product.
I don't think that will be the case here, but it's possible.
#50
Race Director
It is not just ground clearance, but it is also rim and tire durability - for large portions of December to April, the roads in most urban areas around the Northeast take a beating and large deep potholes are the norm. Today alone, my Jeep went through at least half a dozen pot hole that were 2-3" deep and 3-5 sq. ft. in size - so unavoidable without hitting another car. Lots of people with regular sedans (Camry's, Civic, etc) that are pulled over after hitting these potholes - can't imagine a Corvette with its low profile rubber and $400 rims would be any better. On the other hand, my Jeep GC Trailhawk seems to take those in stride.
Where the hell are all your tax dollars going if those ******** are not repairing the roads?
I deove through a.parking lot maybe two.days ago and saw a pothole so large, thought the damn thing was a meteor crater. I was thinking "Holy F Pizza Hut. Fix your ****!!" But it is a community parking lot with multiple businesses. However it is closest to Pizza Hut, right outside their building in the main through way.
Luckily our roads aren't too bad here.
#51
A 500(+) HP, ME, C8, lighter than a C7 will not have cancellation issues, you can be your *** and the farm on that. This car will a first Corvette for many who previously never considered one. The C8 is precisely what is in order to capture the soon to be middle agers that want a 21st century, state of the art sports car. FE round taillight, chrome wheel, fist pounding members fo the Corvette old guard are totally oblivious on this one to the point of being laughable.
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punky; 500(+) HP, ME, C8, lighter than a C7 will not have cancellation issues, you can be your *** and the farm on that. This car will a first Corvette for many who previously never considered one. The C8 is precisely what is in order to capture the soon to be middle agers that want a 21st century, state of the art sports car. FE round taillight, chrome wheel, fist pounding members fo the Corvette old guard are totally oblivious on this one to the point of being laughable.
If we are oblivious, where is the announcement ? Oh, guess I might have missed it. Could you please inform us as to where you have seen it ?
Your round taillight, chrome wheel, etc. references have no relevance to this discussion. If people have doubts, they essentially revolve around corporate financial considerations, something you obviously have no knowledge about.
If we are oblivious, where is the announcement ? Oh, guess I might have missed it. Could you please inform us as to where you have seen it ?
Your round taillight, chrome wheel, etc. references have no relevance to this discussion. If people have doubts, they essentially revolve around corporate financial considerations, something you obviously have no knowledge about.
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punky; 500(+) HP, ME, C8, lighter than a C7 will not have cancellation issues, you can be your *** and the farm on that. This car will a first Corvette for many who previously never considered one. The C8 is precisely what is in order to capture the soon to be middle agers that want a 21st century, state of the art sports car. FE round taillight, chrome wheel, fist pounding members fo the Corvette old guard are totally oblivious on this one to the point of being laughable.
If we are oblivious, where is the announcement ? Oh, guess I might have missed it. Could you please inform us as to where you have seen it ?
Your round taillight, chrome wheel, etc. references have no relevance to this discussion. If people have doubts, they essentially revolve around corporate financial considerations, something you obviously have no knowledge about.
If we are oblivious, where is the announcement ? Oh, guess I might have missed it. Could you please inform us as to where you have seen it ?
Your round taillight, chrome wheel, etc. references have no relevance to this discussion. If people have doubts, they essentially revolve around corporate financial considerations, something you obviously have no knowledge about.
LOL! Please don't take a bridge when it is "announced". Seriously Dude, do you really think a ME, C8 is some kind of an internet hoax?