Has Ed Welburn basically confirm the C8?
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Has Ed Welburn basically confirm the C8?
Well you be the judge of that. It is hard to tell. He did say he liked everything about it.
https://andoniscars.blogspot.com/201...confirmed.html
So it will look stunning. Not much, but still a something.
https://andoniscars.blogspot.com/201...confirmed.html
So it will look stunning. Not much, but still a something.
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What was interesting about that section of the conversation about C8...is he did quickly hint to the fact that there is a "legacy loss" with a mid-engine car, but he asked in a form of a question "should we let that go"? Interestingly, the conversation immediately took on the subject of going too far with the Cutlass and going down a wrong pathway. Knowing that he can honestly ask that question, at least inspires one to acknowledge that these questions have been asked internally about the mid-engine Corvette...as I think that's the big risk here.
I can't help but think of Jeep and certain brands, with very high levels of enthusiast dedication, who have made moves that came with strong backlash, if it infringed too heavily on legacy. For Jeep it was as simple as the round headlights...the base felt that was a defining core that couldn't be left behind. With Corvette, the pop ups to C6 flushies created a little disturbance but that couldn't be avoided. C7 taillights same...but taillights really weren't the defining aspect of Corvette.
To me, Corvette is simple to define...practical, affordable, hits way above the belt in terms of performance, looks great...basically does a lot of jobs and brings excellent value with a legacy and strong core. Will ME disrupt that....remains to be seen. I personally think a mid-engine car struggles due to the fact frontal area is so valuable when you need a lot of heat rejection (due to power/performance), so it can't help from infringe on the only real storage space you have to work with, aside from having a gen1 NSX or Ferrari 308 type of rear boot area (which often leads to higher maintenance/repair costs/costs of ownership). It's also inevitable that mid-engine appears more laid back and low slung and the older owners need fairly decent ingress/egress to own it.
I can't help but think of Jeep and certain brands, with very high levels of enthusiast dedication, who have made moves that came with strong backlash, if it infringed too heavily on legacy. For Jeep it was as simple as the round headlights...the base felt that was a defining core that couldn't be left behind. With Corvette, the pop ups to C6 flushies created a little disturbance but that couldn't be avoided. C7 taillights same...but taillights really weren't the defining aspect of Corvette.
To me, Corvette is simple to define...practical, affordable, hits way above the belt in terms of performance, looks great...basically does a lot of jobs and brings excellent value with a legacy and strong core. Will ME disrupt that....remains to be seen. I personally think a mid-engine car struggles due to the fact frontal area is so valuable when you need a lot of heat rejection (due to power/performance), so it can't help from infringe on the only real storage space you have to work with, aside from having a gen1 NSX or Ferrari 308 type of rear boot area (which often leads to higher maintenance/repair costs/costs of ownership). It's also inevitable that mid-engine appears more laid back and low slung and the older owners need fairly decent ingress/egress to own it.
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Ed Welburn is one cool guy. I have great confidence of corvette design team for the c8.
wish they would they release the c8 sooner rahter than later.
wish they would they release the c8 sooner rahter than later.
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What was interesting about that section of the conversation about C8...is he did quickly hint to the fact that there is a "legacy loss" with a mid-engine car, but he asked in a form of a question "should we let that go"? Interestingly, the conversation immediately took on the subject of going too far with the Cutlass and going down a wrong pathway. Knowing that he can honestly ask that question, at least inspires one to acknowledge that these questions have been asked internally about the mid-engine Corvette...as I think that's the big risk here.
I can't help but think of Jeep and certain brands, with very high levels of enthusiast dedication, who have made moves that came with strong backlash, if it infringed too heavily on legacy. For Jeep it was as simple as the round headlights...the base felt that was a defining core that couldn't be left behind. With Corvette, the pop ups to C6 flushies created a little disturbance but that couldn't be avoided. C7 taillights same...but taillights really weren't the defining aspect of Corvette.
To me, Corvette is simple to define...practical, affordable, hits way above the belt in terms of performance, looks great...basically does a lot of jobs and brings excellent value with a legacy and strong core. Will ME disrupt that....remains to be seen. I personally think a mid-engine car struggles due to the fact frontal area is so valuable when you need a lot of heat rejection (due to power/performance), so it can't help from infringe on the only real storage space you have to work with, aside from having a gen1 NSX or Ferrari 308 type of rear boot area (which often leads to higher maintenance/repair costs/costs of ownership). It's also inevitable that mid-engine appears more laid back and low slung and the older owners need fairly decent ingress/egress to own it.
I can't help but think of Jeep and certain brands, with very high levels of enthusiast dedication, who have made moves that came with strong backlash, if it infringed too heavily on legacy. For Jeep it was as simple as the round headlights...the base felt that was a defining core that couldn't be left behind. With Corvette, the pop ups to C6 flushies created a little disturbance but that couldn't be avoided. C7 taillights same...but taillights really weren't the defining aspect of Corvette.
To me, Corvette is simple to define...practical, affordable, hits way above the belt in terms of performance, looks great...basically does a lot of jobs and brings excellent value with a legacy and strong core. Will ME disrupt that....remains to be seen. I personally think a mid-engine car struggles due to the fact frontal area is so valuable when you need a lot of heat rejection (due to power/performance), so it can't help from infringe on the only real storage space you have to work with, aside from having a gen1 NSX or Ferrari 308 type of rear boot area (which often leads to higher maintenance/repair costs/costs of ownership). It's also inevitable that mid-engine appears more laid back and low slung and the older owners need fairly decent ingress/egress to own it.
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Saw an interview of him a few years back and he was talking about the Corvette and some of the stuff he was saying seemed just generic answers that came across as not knowing the real answers or the proper product knowledge about the Corvette. Came off Kinda salesmanish.
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There's not really anything about the C8. They asked, he appropriately evaded.
I think as Simcoe's direction becomes more prevalent on new GM products we're all going to miss Welburn even more. His shoes are not easy to fill.
I think as Simcoe's direction becomes more prevalent on new GM products we're all going to miss Welburn even more. His shoes are not easy to fill.
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For the demo that buys the car, in terms of a non daily use vehicle, it is certainly affordable, especially on the lower end of the line. Ford pickup trucks occupy much of that price range, as do Escalades, and many 4 dr sedans, etc. The average new car sale price in America is somewhere in the mid 30's last I checked, so yes expensive relative to that...sure.
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At the beginning of the video between 10:00 & 11;00 time mark Ed says one of his last designs he did at GM has not come out yet and it's the next generation Corvette. He went back to GM only once since he left the company. 22.40 mark they talk about the C8 again. Great video
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It's less expensive in the sunbelt where it can be daily driven year round. In the snow belt it's a toy that requires another daily driver since you generally cannot safely drive a Corvette in the winter.
Actually I believe a set of proper rims and snow tires would make it fine for the winter except for ground clearance, but the prevailing belief is that one must have an AWD/FWD vehicle to get through winter.
Actually I believe a set of proper rims and snow tires would make it fine for the winter except for ground clearance, but the prevailing belief is that one must have an AWD/FWD vehicle to get through winter.
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It's less expensive in the sunbelt where it can be daily driven year round. In the snow belt it's a toy that requires another daily driver since you generally cannot safely drive a Corvette in the winter.
Actually I believe a set of proper rims and snow tires would make it fine for the winter except for ground clearance, but the prevailing belief is that one must have an AWD/FWD vehicle to get through winter.
Actually I believe a set of proper rims and snow tires would make it fine for the winter except for ground clearance, but the prevailing belief is that one must have an AWD/FWD vehicle to get through winter.
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It's less expensive in the sunbelt where it can be daily driven year round. In the snow belt it's a toy that requires another daily driver since you generally cannot safely drive a Corvette in the winter.
Actually I believe a set of proper rims and snow tires would make it fine for the winter except for ground clearance, but the prevailing belief is that one must have an AWD/FWD vehicle to get through winter.
Actually I believe a set of proper rims and snow tires would make it fine for the winter except for ground clearance, but the prevailing belief is that one must have an AWD/FWD vehicle to get through winter.
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It is not just ground clearance, but it is also rim and tire durability - for large portions of December to April, the roads in most urban areas around the Northeast take a beating and large deep potholes are the norm. Today alone, my Jeep went through at least half a dozen pot hole that were 2-3" deep and 3-5 sq. ft. in size - so unavoidable without hitting another car. Lots of people with regular sedans (Camry's, Civic, etc) that are pulled over after hitting these potholes - can't imagine a Corvette with its low profile rubber and $400 rims would be any better. On the other hand, my Jeep GC Trailhawk seems to take those in stride.
RWD + winter tires > FWD + all season tires
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Ed Wellburn has forgotten more than most people on this site will ever know. I've had the opportunity at events where my '68 IMSA Trans AM Corvette race car has been shown to talk with Ed.. He is very personable, friendly, a pleasure to talk to, and is extremely knowledgeable. Always enjoy a discussion with him. Comments to the contrary are without any basis.
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He is absolutely right that the Cutlass one one of the hottest selling vehicles in the world and they screwed it up and lost to the Camry. And where is Oldsmobile today?
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