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Old 02-05-2019, 12:13 AM
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Default C8 rumors - Shifting from Hype to HARM?

Rather than type it all out, I decided to just publish this commentary.

While the C8 Rumors are good for some level of HYPE, this situation can also create some HARM if we aren't careful. The Corvette community sets Corvette apart from other care enthusiast groups....always has. Let's not let this fracture things.

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Great message Tony. Keep up the good word!
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Ya more YouTube videos trying to get views and subscribers! Please solicit your videos somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by tonypittman View Post
While the C8 Rumors are good for some level of HYPE, this situation can also create some HARM if we aren't careful. The Corvette community sets Corvette apart from other care enthusiast groups....always has. Let's not let this fracture things.
Hate to break it to you, other car enthusiast groups are just as invested in the development and industry news on their vehicles. The Mustang guys just went through their own anxiety sitting around following all the rumors with the GT500 for example.

If the rumors truly affects you that much, probably best to step away from the forums for a bit.
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GM to layoff 4300 white collar workers this week. This is not a rumor.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:36 AM
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Great, more video spam. Listen, I come here to read thoughtful posts, of which there are many. If I want to watch videos then I go to youtube or turn on my TV Machine.

It would be nice if you at least had the respect and courtesy to write out your thoughts and post them here. Posting a video is just lazy and makes me wonder if you're illiterate.
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Originally Posted by Zaro Tundov View Post
Great, more video spam. Listen, I come here to read thoughtful posts, of which there are many. If I want to watch videos then I go to youtube or turn on my TV Machine.

It would be nice if you at least had the respect and courtesy to write out your thoughts and post them here. Posting a video is just lazy and makes me wonder if you're illiterate.
Wow...posting a video...lazy? Really....I respect your POV, but if you've ever spent time shooting and editing a video then you would know that it's much more work than keyboard warfare. Believe that.

Also, if you bothered to watch the video...refer to my comment about your mouse....

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GM to layoff 4300 white collar workers this week. This is not a rumor.

Not good!

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Great message Tony. Keep up the good word!

Thank you. I know some will blast back...but, I believe the points are valid. I appreciate your support!

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Originally Posted by tonypittman View Post
Not good!
Not at all. It means they are hurting for money. And the remaining people will be overworked.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:27 AM
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Biggest mistake GM made was not introducing the C8 in Detroit. Forget electrical issues they could have driven a body out on stage powered by a lawn mower motor. Who cares if its delayed 6 months there is more to this delay than meets the eye. The fact that GM announced a year ago the plant tours would re open in January 2019 tells the tale that something went terribly wrong. For every day they wait they are in my eyes damaging the cars reputation before they even roll it out.
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Originally Posted by 17C7 View Post
Biggest mistake GM made was not introducing the C8 in Detroit. Forget electrical issues they could have driven a body out on stage powered by a lawn mower motor. Who cares if its delayed 6 months there is more to this delay than meets the eye. The fact that GM announced a year ago the plant tours would re open in January 2019 tells the tale that something went terribly wrong. For every day they wait they are in my eyes damaging the cars reputation before they even roll it out.
It certainly makes it much tougher to say I want one of the first 5,000 sold.
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Wow...posting a video...lazy? Really....I respect your POV, but if you've ever spent time shooting and editing a video then you would know that it's much more work than keyboard warfare. Believe that.

Also, if you bothered to watch the video...refer to my comment about your mouse....
If videos are so much work then why don't you write out your thoughts and post them here? What's the problem?

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Originally Posted by tonypittman View Post
While the C8 Rumors are good for some level of HYPE, this situation can also create some HARM if we aren't careful. The Corvette community sets Corvette apart from other care enthusiast groups....always has. Let's not let this fracture things.
Would you have us do a group hug or something?

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Originally Posted by Zjoe6 View Post
GM to layoff 4300 white collar workers this week. This is not a rumor.
That is just the white collar workers, but it is my understanding there are another 6000 to 7000 blue collar workers getting the axe.
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If videos are so much work then why don't you write out your thoughts and post them here? What's the problem?

I may just do that in the future. I thought a video, showing how I really felt about the topic, would get the point across more effectively. Iím tired of keyboard warrior stuff.

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Would you have us do a group hug or something?

No..not really. Just calling for folks to be less toxic. Maybe too much to ask, I know.



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That is just the white collar workers, but it is my understanding there are another 6000 to 7000 blue collar workers getting the axe.
Really not good to see. While this may or may not mean anything specifically for Corvette (unless they are coming out of Bowling Green, KY), it is always bad to see this news and know that lives and families will be disrupted.

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This is not just about the C8 or ME. What I find amazing is the amount of just pure negativity and cynicism on CF regarding GM in general and every aspect of Corvette in particular - vehicle styling, engineering, naming, development team, etc.

It's my understanding that CF is a Corvette Enthusiast site and not a site created so people can vent their spleen on everything they despise, or expect to despise, about anything past, present, or future regarding the Corvette marque.

If I didn't have an educated filter and listened to the expert naysayers on the C7 section, it is unclear whether I would have sold my C5 and purchased my C7 Vert.
It would have been a shame as my C7 is, by far, the best engineered and built Corvette I have ever driven or owned. I love the fact that the styling is a logical evolution of the C3 DNA - and it is still turning heads on a daily basis even though the design is 5 years old.

What we know and what GM shows about the ME is a highly distorted glimpse in to the future. However, this has empowered many to prophetically declare the ME as over-priced, poorly styled, and quite possibly the end of the Corvette marque.

As a Corvette Enthusiast, I believe there are some extremely talented and hardworking folks who have dedicated/staked the past few years of their careers to make the next generation a success.

Am I a little worried about a change to a ME architecture, or if my big feet might not fit in a foot well that shares space with the front wheel, or whether it can carry enough groceries and stuff so my future Corvette can still be my daily driver?

Absolutely. But IMHO as a Corvette Enthusiast, I have faith in the Corvette team that the ME design will be executed at least as well as my C7 - which means it should be another world-class Corvette.

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Originally Posted by tomlink View Post
This is not just about the C8 or ME. What I find amazing is the amount of just pure negativity and cynicism on CF regarding GM in general and every aspect of Corvette in particular - vehicle styling, engineering, naming, development team, etc.

It's my understanding that CF is a Corvette Enthusiast site and not a site created so people can vent their spleen on everything they despise, or expect to despise, about anything past, present, or future regarding the Corvette marque.

If I didn't have an educated filter and listened to the expert naysayers on the C7 section, it is unclear whether I would have sold my C5 and purchased my C7 Vert.
It would have been a shame as my C7 is, by far, the best engineered and built Corvette I have ever driven or owned. I love the fact that the styling is a logical evolution of the C3 DNA - and it is still turning heads on a daily basis even though the design is 5 years old.

What we know and what GM shows about the ME is a highly distorted glimpse in to the future. However, this has empowered many to prophetically declare the ME as over-priced, poorly styled, and the end of the Corvette marque.

As a Corvette Enthusiast, I believe there are some extremely talented and hardworking folks who have dedicated/staked the past few years of their careers to make the next generation a success.

Am I a little worried about a change to a ME architecture, or if my big feet might not fit in a foot well that shares space with the front wheel, or whether it can carry enough groceries and stuff so my future Corvette can still be my daily driver?

Absolutely. But IMHO as a Corvette Enthusiast, I have faith in the Corvette team that the ME design will be executed at least as well as my C7 - which means it should be another world-class Corvette.
Great points. And with the initial opinions on the C7 design and now the C8 mules running around in camo, I would hope GM solicited their most valuable asset, the customer, and asked what they would like to see on the next version and follow the greater majority.

When someone posted the Aria FXE as a remote up in your face possibility, I was excited because the Aria FXE is one hot design.

I fail to believe exterior design monopolizes the majority of a car's values as compared to the technology, engine, interior, etc.

Good grief GM. Some of their designers need to be fired for having inconsistent vision.

If the Aria FXE can look hot and have cheap GM interior as compared to other exotics, what's the problem?

Their vision is somehow been skewed and I certainly hope the C8 reveal will change my mind. Not prove me to be correct in that they have a golden opportunity here..... don't **** it up half-assing the design.
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Amen!
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I may just do that in the future. I thought a video, showing how I really felt about the topic, would get the point across more effectively. Iím tired of keyboard warrior stuff.
It's cool that you like to produce video's but you also have to realize that after awhile it becomes promotion of what is now commonly referred to as a commercial activity carried out by hopeful YT enterpriser's.

Unlike a video members of the forum can quickly scan a written post to decide if its something they even want to waste time reading through to the end. You simply do not have that option with a video as you are forced to watch it in it's entirety before you find out if it was informative or a complete waste of time. I am a member of many other enthusiast forums geared to the toys I own. Most of which do not allow promotion of commercial activities of any type without a paid sponsorship.
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Originally Posted by 17C7 View Post
Biggest mistake GM made was not introducing the C8 in Detroit. Forget electrical issues they could have driven a body out on stage powered by a lawn mower motor. Who cares if its delayed 6 months there is more to this delay than meets the eye. The fact that GM announced a year ago the plant tours would re open in January 2019 tells the tale that something went terribly wrong. For every day they wait they are in my eyes damaging the cars reputation before they even roll it out.
I diasagree. The biggest mistake is to show off something that's not even close to ready for prime-time. You completely waste the excitement generated by the initial impact.

The NSX was introduced 3-4 years ago in a Super Bowl commercial, and only recently appeared. Folks simply lost interest, and once it finally became available, sales have been abysmal with only about 150 a year sold thus far. Obviously, a premature reveal is not the only reason, but Honda has suffered tremendous embarrassment as a result of the long delay.

GM is doing exactly the right thing by waiting until they can announce an availability date with confidence.

With regard to the thread topic, negativity and occasional nastiness are norms on every internet forum, and it is certainly a characteristic of every automotive forum. I've been active on a half dozen or more forums and don't find CF to be much different from any of the others.

I joined CF in 2004 and was very active, left in 2008 when I sold my C6 Z06, and did not return until 2016 when I purchased my first C7. It was the same a decade ago as it is today with some nasty participants mixed in with a lot of nice and helpful people.

The cloak of anonymity does that to some people.

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All the internet hype is making the C8 a legend , hope we are not let down.
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