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Old 02-07-2019, 10:07 PM
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It seems the next generation base corvettes have about the same performance as the previous generation mid level corvette, so since we have nothing better to do in this section but speculate... I think the base C8 will be 0-60, 60-0, 1/4 mile et/mph and lateral accelerations will be about the same or slightly less than the C7 Z06. While I am at it, the base C8 will be $65k. Your turn. Play nice!
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I like your thinking. If the price/performance is close to your prediction, I don't see how GM will keep both C7/C8 production lines open, as some have speculated. The C8 will be on perpetual back-order.
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Your within a very reasonable range on all your predictions....
But,unfortunately that didnít sell well around here....
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Following your logic which i happen to agree with based off of the past three generations i believe the standard c8 with heavy duty coolers and suspension aka z51 will have performance that slots between the c7 grand sport and c7 z06.

braking and handling will be near equal to the c7 z06 and acceleration will slot between the c7 grand sport(3.7 seconds) and c7 z06.(3.0 seconds) . We should with the dct and rear mid engine weight bias be able to see zero to 60 mph in 3.3 seconds.

of course we are just guessing but thats my estimation as well.

a few months and GM will give us factory performance numbers.

one interesting fact of having a dct everyone will be able to match GM performance accelleration specs.

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What are the numbers for a C6Z06 vs C7 Stingray? I don't think they are that close.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:43 PM
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Actually the c6 z06 and the stingray z51 were extremely close. (Acceleration within .2ths of a second to 60mph and in the quartermile)

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Originally Posted by JerriVette View Post
Actually the c6 z06 and the stingray z51 were extremely close.
Not really. The 7L, high revving LS7 was hard to beat for performance. The problem was to keep it in one piece. The C7 was a better handling car, I agree.
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I think we would have to set up both cars with same tires to compare.The C6 Z06 had the Goodyears which just aren't as fast.
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Originally Posted by Philr56 View Post
I like your thinking. If the price/performance is close to your prediction, I don't see how GM will keep both C7/C8 production lines open, as some have speculated. The C8 will be on perpetual back-order.
Porsche has Carrera and Cayman...and much of them overlap. Since the beginning I've repeated that it's my feeling the mid engine base cost starts around a 2LZ Z06, then climbs from there. Ride out 3 more yrs of C7, while C8 ME goes from base to performance model, then introduce Front engine C8.

FE goes 60k-130k
ME goes 80k-170k

Life cycles of the variations overlap to allow for design, development, testing, etc.
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Not really. The 7L, high revving LS7 was hard to beat for performance. The problem was to keep it in one piece. The C7 was a better handling car, I agree.
The C6Z had a very special motor, not the fastest but so full of character, so lovable❤️
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Originally Posted by warhawkmcdaniel View Post
I think we would have to set up both cars with same tires to compare.The C6 Z06 had the Goodyears which just aren't as fast.
When you have to brake it down to the tires....
you pretty much answered the question...
close enough.
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Porsche GT3 has 500 hp and does 0-60 in 3.2. The advantages of having weight over the driven wheels and a great transmission.

If done right, the base ME will be very close to the C7 Z06 in performance.
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Originally Posted by range96 View Post
Not really. The 7L, high revving LS7 was hard to beat for performance. The problem was to keep it in one piece. The C7 was a better handling car, I agree.
The C6 Z06 is a great performer and a ball to drive. The percentage of those cars that had valve problems is in reality very small. It seems as if some posters on internet car forums love to demonstrate their ignorance by exaggerating this point.
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Originally Posted by pietro c7 View Post
Your within a very reasonable range on all your predictions....
But,unfortunately that didnít sell well around here....
Put on your best flame suit.
Sad, but true. I canít understand why simple speculation and discussion gets that kind of reaction on here these days. But, it seems to be the case. Still, I hope the trolls donít turn this into a totally unfriendly place. It didnít used to be this way. Over the years it has often been a useful resource. But lately itís more of a flame war arena, above all else.
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Originally Posted by ffr1352 View Post
It seems the next generation base corvettes have about the same performance as the previous generation mid level corvette, so since we have nothing better to do in this section but speculate... I think the base C8 will be 0-60, 60-0, 1/4 mile et/mph and lateral accelerations will be about the same or slightly less than the C7 Z06. While I am at it, the base C8 will be $65k. Your turn. Play nice!
Excellent post, very reasonable and what is logically expected. It is amazing what some others are predicting. Base C8 starting over $100,000? Indeed. About as likely as crazed socialists eliminating air travel with their Green Deal.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:44 AM
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Quite likely. The C8 has the advantage of being ME, so a more modest power increase is required to achieve C7 ZO6 acceleration performance.

Rumors suggest a base 500+hp LT1 variant, but based on my own intel there is something more to the powertrain that is being hidden even from GM suppliers who would normally know at this point in development.

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Porsche GT3 has 500 hp and does 0-60 in 3.2. The advantages of having weight over the driven wheels and a great transmission.

If done right, the base ME will be very close to the C7 Z06 in performance.
There are two ways to look at that comparison. Yes, you can show much better 0-x times if the car hooks up from a dead stop better. But accelerating through the gears from a roll is what is real world. Only drag racers and bench racers benefit from a dead stop launch. Iím not saying itís a bad thing, just that it is only one aspect of the performance measure.
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Originally Posted by jschindler View Post
There are two ways to look at that comparison. Yes, you can show much better 0-x times if the car hooks up from a dead stop better. But accelerating through the gears from a roll is what is real world. Only drag racers and bench racers benefit from a dead stop launch. Iím not saying itís a bad thing, just that it is only one aspect of the performance measure.
I agree.
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Originally Posted by jschindler View Post
There are two ways to look at that comparison. Yes, you can show much better 0-x times if the car hooks up from a dead stop better. But accelerating through the gears from a roll is what is real world. Only drag racers and bench racers benefit from a dead stop launch. Iím not saying itís a bad thing, just that it is only one aspect of the performance measure.
Agree as well.

0-60 (or 0-x) often has carried way too much weight. I think that is because the general buying population can early wrap their heads around 0-60 times. But now, with top performance cars all clustering around that 2.x-3.x second range (in 100% ideal road situations), that performance measure has all but lost its meaning. Performance from a 40-50mph roll is really what I find more interesting.
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I think if the price increase is higher than usual for a next gen (say 70K), I think it comes with 510-515hp. I think if its $60-65K it is 495 or 500hp...

With DCT and ME layout, I think 0-60 in 3.2/3.3 is definitely the target area... maybe they surprise us and its 3.0
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