VetteDrmr

Hey, I'll tell you right now, if I can't load up a C8 with enough stuff for my wife and I to take a 2-week cross country trip similar to my C7, that's a deal-breaker. We buy food/drinks and stuff on the way, so I'm reasonable about it, but I'm not going to by a car I can't use and enjoy; I want to put some miles on the thing!

Have a good one,
Mike

vndkshn

My wife and I took a three week trip in a 67 convertible and had the top down much of the time. Different strokes for different folks, but we don't feel the need to take our entire closet with us on trips. Especially if there is a stop in the middle with family where we can wash some clothes. We actually took a two week trip to spend with family and everything fit in a single bag you could put in an overhead. We often travel with a backpack for laptop/tablets and a single roll on.

For me, if the C8 is overly large just for the sake of luggage, that's a deal breaker for me.

Foosh

Yes, I do agree it is a marketing issue, but it's sad commentary on the gullibility of the average consumer who only looks at HP. I find it comical that 20 extra HP confers bragging rights when they're also carrying around the extra weight of an average-sized adult pig.

VetteDrmr

Agreed as well. We travel pretty light, but if you look at many of the ME cars out there you'd have a hard time with your roll-on in your example. Flexible luggage goes a long way, but when there's no room there's no room.

Serious question: would you say the C7 is overly large? I don't, but that's just my opinion.

Have a good one,
Mike

Foosh

Yep, that's a deal breaker for me too, if it is larger and significantly heavier than the C7. 3500 lbs. is the cutoff point for me. There could be a 911 or Cayman GT4 in my future, but I could also probably remain very happy with my '18 C7 M7 convertible for 3-4 more years.

RapidC84B

My C7 has noticeably less capacity than my C5s due to the raised flat floor. The C5s had nice storage wells. The C7 has a raised floor to protect the eDiff computer and rear fuse block and the right rear tub houses the battery. You can't put much back toward the rear due to it being so shallow. My wife and I went to the NCM Bash last year and filled it up easily with two small folding chairs, two duffel bags, a small tool kit and small detail kit. She of course went to a Lilly Pulitzer store and added a few bags for the ride home.

That said, I'd make the C8 work... so long as it has a real frunk like a Boxster/Cayman (not the Ford GT) and a trunk behind the engine (I'm 99% sure it will based on the exhaust being low and wide) it should be fine.

vndkshn

I'm not sure, I haven't lived with one, been kinda holding out to see what happens with the ME car... but I've almost walked into the dealer a dozen times to pickup a C7. All of the C7s I've been in, I haven't found myself really wanting more room in the back. If anything, a little more room on the passenger side footwell comes to mind (at least for me).

As for ME storage, it's a real hit or miss with the other cars out there, no doubt. My buddy's first gen Cayman, never really had an issue, I was always amazed at the amount of crap he brought to the track in it.

I can say for sure, the requirement of "2 golf bags" would very likely be a deal breaker for me, that is just a ton of room that isn't easy to contain in a small and sleek body. I don't play golf anymore, and even when I did, I never took any sports car to the golf course, I usually took the sedan of the day or SUV/truck. Same is true for groceries. My wife will sometimes ask me to stop and get a couple of items, no biggy, that can fit on the passenger footwell usually, but I never see the need to carry the week's groceries.

punky

The posts regarding HP are made in terms of marketing not weight. HP #s sell cars to most enthusiasts not weight.

C7pimp

I'd definitely prefer a 2,000 lb vehicle with 300hp vs a 4000lb vehicle with 500 hp.


But, anything over 400hp and under 4,000lbs is a pretty dang fast car any way you crack it.

Atari_Prime

Can you name a lot of 2,000 lb. vehicles with 300 hp? The closest I can think of is the 4C but that only has 237 and weighs 2,465.

Would love to have an Ariel Atom V8...that only weighs 1,200 lb and has 500 hp. An undrivable god daring you to hit the accelerator.

C7pimp

Certainly not a lot. The Exige 260 comes to mind, but even that is 256hp, and 40 hp on a 2,000lb car is a massive difference.


Anyways, something in the low 3,000-3,300 with 500hp+ is a screaming quick car. With the C8 bringing (I hope) at least 500hp and ~3,300lbs and a better weight bias for traction, it's going to be an excellent performer in base trim.

Atari_Prime

Given the HP wars that have been going on over the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if the base HP is in the 550 zone. I also expect weight to be around 3,400 lbs. The 488 is the C8's closest twin and that is around 3,250. If you look back through history, Corvettes typically come in around 100-200 lb. heavier than their Italian friends.

C7pimp

I'd be happy with that.

UsernameProtected

I’ll take my C8 with an LS7 with fixed heads, and a manual transmission please. I don’t care if it’s six or seven speed...I’m easy.

flyingbunnys

The McLaren Senna is 2641 lbs with 789 hp.

ptalar

Electric motors have the advantage of high instantaneous torque and are more efficient than ICE. They are working on electric cars that get 600mph and can recharge in 15 minutes or less. If they can put out an all electric Corvette with a 500 hp electric motor I am in. They would have to develop room temperature super conducting materials to reduce weight and size of the motor and battery but I would have no problem with a silent Corvette.

flyingbunnys

I consider electric cars a joke until I see one win a 24 hour race.

1. Around a track electric cars can't keep up.
1 1/2. Any drag race other than a standing 1/8th or 1/4 mile they start to lose.
2. Even 15 minutes to charge is longer than I care to wait.
3. You lose trunk space to store batteries.
4. Batteries are more temperature sensative.
5. Where do people living in houses with no external out let's charge up?
6. What if you have more vehicles and drivers living together than outlets avalible.
7. Charging is cheap now, but what about when demand spikes? How long until supply catches up? If electricity is at least 20 cents per kilowatt and gas is under $2.50 then a prius would be the cheaper option for fuel per mile.
8. Cost to buy an electric is still too expensive even with subsidizing.
9. While gas cars aren't good for the enviroment, electric cars are worse given the longevity and disposal of the batteries.

84 4+3

Valid points. There are a few I'd like to discuss.
3. Only a problem if you are a company other than Tesla. If you use the dead space under the car for the battery pack you lose next to nothing.
7. That works only for a Prius, if you do it based on the average car, the ones everyone drives it actually ends up being that gas needs to be below 2$ roughly. Something that we won't see ever again more than likely.
9. The batteries are extremely recyclable but currently it is cheaper to dig new out of the ground instead of reusing. But the packs seem to last far longer than traditional batteries. When's the last time you had a laptop battery need to be replaced? I know mine is 7 years old and still lasts 90% of what it did when new...
1&2 I understand. Generally speaking though, the idea is that you can do pretty much anything you need to in a day then charge it at night for the next day. If I could get 500 miles out of a battery on a road trip and it takes 15 minutes to charge I'm okay with that honestly. If I've been driving that long I probably would take a 10-15 minute break anyway just to stretch. If they knock it down to 5 minutes then it really is a non issue imo. But I understand for some people every last second counts.

VetteDrmr

So, let's talk about the current state of the art for electric cars (i.e. Tesla):

1. Max range of a Tesla Model S (4 door sedan), with the $10,000 optional extended range battery, is 335 miles. At that point, assuming you have a standard 15/20A 110v outlet available, it takes about 52 hours to recharge. Go to 240, it drops significantly to around 9 hours. Twin 240v chargers drops that in half to around 4.75 hours. Even if you make it to one of Tesla's superchargers, it still takes an hour.

Will they get the tech better? Sure. Is it there now? Not for me.

Have a good one,
Mike

oregonsharkman

Regarding the public perception of 460 HP:

Just a couple days ago a friend was visiting and brought his mid-teenage son. I showed him my 19 Grand Sport and he was grinning with excitement. When he asked me how much power it had and I said, "460 hp", his reaction was disappointment and he just said, "Oh....that's all?"...LMAO - I had to counter with 0 - 60 in 3.7 seconds and that cheered him right up.

Out of the mouth of babes...