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I am not in the market for a C8 but it would be a deal breaker for me. I love to golf, what good is a "fun" car if I can't drive it while I'm wanting to do "fun" things? My C7 Coupe holds 2 bags and a pull cart, my bag is even a large "staff" bag. I will never buy a sports car that I can't use to take my buddy and I golfing in.
I am not in the market for a C8 but it would be a deal breaker for me. I love to [mountain bike, snowboard], what good is a "fun" car if I can't drive it while I'm wanting to do "fun" things? My C7 Coupe holds 2 [mountain bikes, snowboards] and accessories.I will never buy a sports car that I can't use to take my buddy and I [mountain biking,snowboarding] in.
Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; 02-19-2019 at 02:28 PM.
Great pic! I'm sure GM ad folks will have a similar pic when the C8 is released. However as I said in a prior post they may be youth bags! You'rs are definitely not!
Great pic! I'm sure GM ad folks will have a similar pic when the C8 is released. However as I said in a prior post they may be youth bags! You'rs are definitely not!
LOL! That's one advantage to a sports car with a pathetic, pint size engine.
LOL! That's one advantage to a sports car with a pathetic, pint size engine.
Yep that ME Ford GT has only a 3.5 Liter "pint size engine" as well. Oh, it has 647 hp! That is what double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder and twin turbo's can do!
Yep that ME Ford GT has only a 3.5 Liter "pint size engine" as well. Oh, it has 647 hp! That is what double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder and twin turbo's can do!
Wow! Really? Learn something ever day I guess just not in this case. Boxster/Cayman=puss car.
I purchased a new Grand Sport recently as I value storage space for road trips and cannot imagine the C8 will fit my needs. Really believe GM will make a huge mistake if they do not continue with a front engined model. Ferrari apparently make most of their profit from front engined models such as the California.
We are not all boy racers who do not travel far from home. I cover around 12,000 miles per year in my Corvette much of which is long distance road trips with luggage.
I purchased a new Grand Sport recently as I value storage space for road trips and cannot imagine the C8 will fit my needs. Really believe GM will make a huge mistake if they do not continue with a front engined model. Ferrari apparently make most of their profit from front engined models such as the California.
We are not all boy racers who do not travel far from home. I cover around 12,000 miles per year in my Corvette much of which is long distance road trips with luggage.
I agree and want to add that they are likely making a mistake of they think the Camaro can fill the gap.
Last edited by flyingbunnys; 02-20-2019 at 03:01 AM.
Wow! Really? Learn something ever day I guess just not in this case. Boxster/Cayman=puss car.
Yep, the world is going two ways, EVs and smaller cid engines with overhead cams that allow the intake and exhaust timing to be varied independently (can't do that with a single cam pushrod engine) and 4 vales/cylinder for the high performance versions.
The 2019 Silverado that GM sells ove 500,000/year has a 2.7 Liter double overhead cam, turbo engine that produces 310 hp.
The 2019 Alfa Giulia has an optional 2.9 Liter V6, DOHC, Twin turbo that produces 505 hp and it was just announced will have what F1 race cars use, KERS that employs a light motor/generator connected to the transmission that gives another 141 hp for a total of 646 hp AND recovers braking energy to charge the small battery!
Yep F1 has focused on improved gas mileage for a number of years. They no longer allow refueling (and use less than half the gas and are besting race times of some older V12 F1 cars with a 1.6 Liter V6 that produces ~800 hp and use an extra 160 hp KERS system when passing! They have more than doubled the energy efficiency. It can be done and sure hope we have that before Mary Barra forces only EVs!
Yep the World is changing accept for a few diehards on the forum who insist we need to keep the large cid pushrod engines! I like those as well. Have a 502 cid ~525+ hp BB Chevy crate motor in my Street Rod. If building today would probably buy the 572 cid Chevy crate motor- BUT don't want that for my DD C8!
Yep that ME Ford GT has only a 3.5 Liter "pint size engine" as well. Oh, it has 647 hp! That is what double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder and twin turbo's can do!
647 horsepower is 106 horsepower short of the 6.2L OHV V8 in the C7 at 755 horsepower, that also has 15 cu ft of cargo space(enough to hold two golf bags, or enough underwear for a two week road trip).
Don't forget that the Ford GT is around $300K more expensive than the C7 ZR1. Those additional two camshafts are expensive.
^^ But it's evolving. F1 is getting 800+ from 1.6 Liters without the added 160 from KERS. I know it's a racing engine BUT only 4 motors allowed per season so they are pushing to be more relevant to passenger cars! They no longer allow refueling and are getting over twice the gas mileage of F1 cars of only a few years ago and besting race times!
I think the Alfa Giulia 2.9 Liter double overhead cam, twin turbo, 4 valves/cylinder you can buy now with 505 hp and will soon have an added 141 electric motor power from KERS, is a good example.
IMO it's Mary Barra's EV's or we must do better to keep ICE's. The ZR1's 13 city/19 highway/15 overall mpg won't cut it!
The 4 door Alfa sedan with the 2.9 Liter V6 gets 17 city/24 highway/20 mpg overall. It will do even better with 641 hp when they add KERS! KERS needs no electric from Solar cells (or electric utility companies when raining) it charges the small battery from recovered braking energy!
^^ But it's evolving. F1 is getting 800+ from 1.6 Liters without the added 160 from KERS. I know it's a racing engine BUT only 4 motors allowed per season so they are pushing to be more relevant to passenger cars! They no longer allow refueling and are getting over twice the gas mileage of F1 cars of only a few years ago and besting race times!
I think the Alfa Giulia 2.9 Liter double overhead cam, twin turbo, 4 valves/cylinder you can buy now with 505 hp and will have an added 141 electric motor power from KERS, is a good example.
IMO it's Mary Barra's EV's or we must do better to keep ICE's. The ZR1's 13 city/19 highway/15 overall mpg won't cut it!
The 4 door Alfa sedan with the 2.9 Liter V6 gets 17 city/24 highway/20 mpg overall. It will do even better with 641 hp when they add KERS! KERS needs no electric from Solar cells (or electric utility companies when raining) it charges the small battery from recovered braking energy!
My 09 Z06 had a MSRP of $80,015 and I paid $69.038.33 for it(GM employee price). It has 505HP and for an additional $10,000 I could add a Edelbrock E-Force for 657 horsepower and still get the same gas mileage(as long as I kept my foot out of it) as before the addition of the supercharger.. The E-Force fits under the stock hood and I still retain the huge cargo areas in the rear. Forced induction vs forced induction, but a 7L OHV V8 vs a 3.5L DOHC V6.
That is still 10 horsepower above the Ford GT and will get better gas mileage than the Ford GT's DOHC V6.
I can also purchase a new 2019 C7 Z06 with 650 HP from it's 6.2L OHV V8 from Mayse Chevrolet in Aurora, MO. $89,175 MSRP with a selling price of $77,175. Or a 2019 Z06 from Hendricks in Kansas City with a $92,650 MSRP with a selling price of $79,657. Still a lot cheaper than a Ford GT with it's 647 horsepower DOHV V6 and the Z06 will get better gas mileage(not near what my C6 Z06 gets) and the C7 Z06 has loads more cargo space than the Ford GT.
Oh, and a KERS can be used with an OHV engine as well as a DOHC engine, for an additional 141 electric motor horsepower on the OHV engine. Lets see now, C6 Z06 with 657 horsepower from a supercharged 7L OHV V8 plus 141 electric motor horsepower equals 798 horsepower with great gas mileage(30+ on the highway).
I don't see another mid engine car worrying if owners can put golf clubs in them
Only the ME cars that sell in relatively high volumes, like the Porsche 718.
Lack of cargo capacity is a hidden price because it turns a sports car into a toy. If you can't even pick up a few groceries or put your kid in the frunk then you'll need to buy another car for that stuff, and when you're doing that stuff you don't get to enjoy your toy.
Only the ME cars that sell in relatively high volumes, like the Porsche 718.
Lack of cargo capacity is a hidden price because it turns a sports car into a toy. If you can't even pick up a few groceries or put your kid in the frunk then you'll need to buy another car for that stuff, and when you're doing that stuff you don't get to enjoy your toy.
Here we are driving our cars on a road trip back in 2005 to visit the Indy 500 facility(and drive our cars on the track, etc). I really doubt that driving 22 SUV's to Indy and around the track would be as much fun as driving our 22 Corvettes around the track because the 22 Corvettes wouldn't hold enough clean underwear for the trip.
But, to be honest with you, the 58 and the 66 were trailered behind a couple of SUV's, so cargo space was not a concern as there was plenty of cargo space in the SUV's for the clean underwear. The other 20 Corvettes had to carry their own underwear in the back of the car.
02-19-2019, 02:23 PM
But it's evolving. F1 is getting 800+ from 1.6 Liters without the added 160 from KERS. I know it's a racing engine BUT only 4 motors allowed per season so they are pushing to be more relevant to passenger cars! They no longer allow refueling and are getting over twice the gas mileage of F1 cars of only a few years ago and besting race times!
