For those who keep saying there's NO DELAY - NCM plant tour screen captures
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The big problem with that logic is that it assumes the NCM, which has no official GM affiliation, actually carefully coordinated with the right people at GM. My theory is that they asked someone at BGA who gave them a WAG, and they went with it without official GM confirmation and ended up with egg on face.
#62
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Exactly. How many complaints on the forum would GM have avoided if they had slowed down the release of the C7 just a bit?
A truth in my business is that you can control schedule or quality but favoring either comes at a cost to the other.
A lesson that upper management fails to learn year after year.
A truth in my business is that you can control schedule or quality but favoring either comes at a cost to the other.
A lesson that upper management fails to learn year after year.
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#63
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Could it be that the C8 is ahead of schedule rather than delayed. Maybe, just maybe, the NCM posted a Jan restart date as the factory enlargement would have been completed and the C7 would be moving on towards its 2020 model year. The C8 may have been projected for a 2021 model, but they were ahead of schedule and the factory tours could not resume as there were too many C8 parts all over the factory. Just saying, maybe.
The only way it gets pushed to MY2021 is if it's delayed.
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The Porsche line workers look like large oompa loompas
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LOL, I don't see anything in those photos indicating a difference in worker pride or satisfaction. Those damned bib-overalls on the human ooompa-loompas look awfully uncomfortable. I suspect those poor Porsche workers complain about that plenty at home.
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I'm guessing it's the opposite of what you think. They look like gay tomatoes. I'll also bet Porsche pays for the costumes. No self-respecting German would wear **** like that if it weren't required.
#69
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I bet they can't wait to get home and change into their Lederhosen.
#70
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No, there's a difference between wearing work clothes and showing up to the factory in the clothes you wore on your weekend hunting and drinking excursions. Those of you who are executives know the difference between wearing work clothes and leisure clothes.
They get to wear cooler uniforms on the 911 line:
Yet another potential source of axillary pubes on the BGA line:
Note how much better the lighting is at the Porsche factories. Porsche went to Toyota for lessons on how to build and run an assembly line and it shows.
They get to wear cooler uniforms on the 911 line:
Yet another potential source of axillary pubes on the BGA line:
Note how much better the lighting is at the Porsche factories. Porsche went to Toyota for lessons on how to build and run an assembly line and it shows.
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Your anthropological fieldwork skills are lacking.
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Yeah, gotta agree, and have been a senior exec at 3 large organizations and still am. The uniform thing has been debunked and new school management thinking embraces casual and individuality. All the best private primary and secondary schools have also dumped uniforms for the same reasons.
Pay a visit to Google, Facebook, or Apple some time, and check out the attire. No one can deny the high level of creativity and job satisfaction going on there.
Pay a visit to Google, Facebook, or Apple some time, and check out the attire. No one can deny the high level of creativity and job satisfaction going on there.
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#73
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You are making sociological conclusions based on pictures without having interviewed the people wearing the clothing. You lack context and are jumping to conclusions. On the one hand you have a Teutonic cuture well known for conformism and discipline and on the other you have multi-cultural Americans who value individuality. You have no information on top down requirement imposed by the company.
Your anthropological fieldwork skills are lacking.
Your anthropological fieldwork skills are lacking.
However you're right about one thing: I haven't interviewed the employees. It's possible the BGA workers who shown up in wife beaters are careful to shave their armpits every morning so as not to risk axillary hair contamination of the Corvettes they build.
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#74
It's not the uniforms producing the higher levels of quality. Perhaps quality, productivity, and employee satisfaction would actually improve at Porsche if they stopped having to play dress up every day and were allowed to wear what they feel most comfortable in.
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#75
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No, at most uniforms cause a subtle shift in worker attitude. Probably the same effect can be achieved via dress code.
You probably wore a uniform of sorts as an executive (shirt and tie). Do you think your behavior would have changed at all if you could have just shown up in shorts, sandals, and a wife beater?
You probably wore a uniform of sorts as an executive (shirt and tie). Do you think your behavior would have changed at all if you could have just shown up in shorts, sandals, and a wife beater?
#76
We've gone business casual, and worker productivity is much better than the days of business suits 5 days a week. The culture is far more relaxed, friendly, with higher morale and teamwork. I'm at the top of the food chain and rarely wear a tie any more.
Uniforms don't do anything except make prettier marketing photos of the assembly line.
Uniforms don't do anything except make prettier marketing photos of the assembly line.
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#78
Certainly not the primary cause, but it is a reflection of respecting, valuing our employees more, and becoming better listeners to their ideas in our roles as senior execs. Gone is the strict military chain-of-command culture, where they're treated like serfs, while we prance around as if we were some sort of royalty. The psychological distance between the top and bottom of the organizational structure has been greatly reduced.
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#79
Drifting
That's actually pretty interesting how the psychological distance between top and bottom of the organization has grown smaller as the discrepancy in salaries has grown greater. Getting comfy in my armchair, I'd guess that when salaries at the top were more modest, they felt a stronger need to differentiate themselves based on dress and social standing in the company.
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We're talking about plant tours given to the public. People touring the plant will form an opinion based on what they see. So what looks better, the Porsche line worker in the uniform or the BG line worker in the wife beater? Who would you rather have assembling your car? The cost to GM to have everyone in a Corvette polo at BG would be minimal. It's all about optics.
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