Why the Mid-Engine Corvette Will Devour the 911
03-02-2019, 10:01 AM
#21
Drifting
The Corvette will never "devour" the 911 for one reason:
Husband: Honey, I'm going to buy a Corvette!
Wife: But where will you put the baby seat?
Husband: Ummmm, next to me in the passenger seat?
Wife: [Stern look]
Husband: Well, I guess it can wait.
Husband: Honey, I'm going to buy a Corvette!
Wife: But where will you put the baby seat?
Husband: Ummmm, next to me in the passenger seat?
Wife: [Stern look]
Husband: Well, I guess it can wait.
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03-02-2019, 10:13 AM
#22
Le Mans Master
I made the same comments when Firebirds exceeded the cost of a Bonneville. Frowny face dad and smile mom leaving in their new Bonneville.
03-02-2019, 01:13 PM
#23
Le Mans Master
Nice leathered cabin on old platform? LOL! So many engineering improvements cant even start. As owner of c7 Z and GT3 I get to compare all the time. I'll say to you what I say to all my fine friends in my corvette club, please come over and drive my GT3. Its the first auto I would ever consider owning, it has the twin disc PDK trans. Game changer and you simply have to drive one. So much so I'm holding off buying ME until I can confirm rumors that it might have twin disk. Porsche is the most dedicated passionate car builder on planet and that shows up first time you get the PCA publication Panarama. First time you walk into dealership. First time you visit a Porsche concourse.
Corvette has all doo dads that americans have to have, heads up, vented seats, etc etc. But lots more plastic and less quality build. Porsche is a more purpose built car and one that you sit in and not just sit on. However the shear HP and Torque in the Z06 is so damn addicting and smooth it keeps me coming back time and again. Obviously I'm in love with both and its not a dream its more of a curse!
Corvette has all doo dads that americans have to have, heads up, vented seats, etc etc. But lots more plastic and less quality build. Porsche is a more purpose built car and one that you sit in and not just sit on. However the shear HP and Torque in the Z06 is so damn addicting and smooth it keeps me coming back time and again. Obviously I'm in love with both and its not a dream its more of a curse!
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
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03-02-2019, 02:38 PM
#24
Burning Brakes
03-02-2019, 04:19 PM
#25
Seems like a lot of people on the Corvette forum are not aware of Porsche's biggest strength. I have had the opportunity to drive a few Porsches, either test driving or the keys handed to me by friends. One thing Porsche is so good at is refining a car to the maximum. I drove a Cayman recently, and the steering, shifter, clutch, the human machine interfaces, were all built like precision instruments. It was really eye opening. It only had a four cylinder engine. It was probably the worst sounding engine I have ever heard. However, I purposely tried to get it to drone and go into resonance vibration, and it wouldn't. They engineered it out. I don't think I have ever driven a four cylinder that I couldn't get some drone or resonance vibration out of it. Driving the Cayman, you felt like the car was built by perfectionists, people who obsess over details. Inside and outside, panel gaps were tight.
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
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03-03-2019, 08:48 AM
#26
Drifting
Seems like a lot of people on the Corvette forum are not aware of Porsche's biggest strength. I have had the opportunity to drive a few Porsches, either test driving or the keys handed to me by friends. One thing Porsche is so good at is refining a car to the maximum. I drove a Cayman recently, and the steering, shifter, clutch, the human machine interfaces, were all built like precision instruments. It was really eye opening. It only had a four cylinder engine. It was probably the worst sounding engine I have ever heard. However, I purposely tried to get it to drone and go into resonance vibration, and it wouldn't. They engineered it out. I don't think I have ever driven a four cylinder that I couldn't get some drone or resonance vibration out of it. Driving the Cayman, you felt like the car was built by perfectionists, people who obsess over details. Inside and outside, panel gaps were tight.
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
With GM products, there's always some character flaw where I think, "that's where the accountants stepped in and ended development." I sure hope the C8 doesn't have too many of those...
03-03-2019, 09:34 AM
#27
Melting Slicks
Seems like a lot of people on the Corvette forum are not aware of Porsche's biggest strength. I have had the opportunity to drive a few Porsches, either test driving or the keys handed to me by friends. One thing Porsche is so good at is refining a car to the maximum. I drove a Cayman recently, and the steering, shifter, clutch, the human machine interfaces, were all built like precision instruments. It was really eye opening. It only had a four cylinder engine. It was probably the worst sounding engine I have ever heard. However, I purposely tried to get it to drone and go into resonance vibration, and it wouldn't. They engineered it out. I don't think I have ever driven a four cylinder that I couldn't get some drone or resonance vibration out of it. Driving the Cayman, you felt like the car was built by perfectionists, people who obsess over details. Inside and outside, panel gaps were tight.
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
Chevrolet doesn't build the Corvette like that. Their focus is performance, looks, features, and value. It's not precision engineering. Corvettes have soul. Porsches are more clinical. I personally am more focused on having a big V8, so I own Corvettes, but I do recommend if you get the chance to drive a Porsche sports car, do it. It's a great experience.
03-03-2019, 09:38 AM
#28
Very well said and I fully agree with the above. The 911 exemplifies precision assembly and it is the car outright strength. To some, that translates (whether objectively or subjectively) into other positive attributes.
I actually do understand that very well and I do understand THAT alone may mean everything to some.
Inevitably the contentions arises when precision alone is portrayed as an indication of (or evidence of) superior street performance (the subject of this thread), comfort performance, build quality performance and what have you... to include price tag/cost performance.
The "precision" argument was settled a long time ago when it was proven that indeed $10 quartz watch performs time keeping better than a $10K swiss with precision diamond gears..
IMHO within this context, an AMG GT is a superb modern choice of precision and performance.
Cheers
I actually do understand that very well and I do understand THAT alone may mean everything to some.
Inevitably the contentions arises when precision alone is portrayed as an indication of (or evidence of) superior street performance (the subject of this thread), comfort performance, build quality performance and what have you... to include price tag/cost performance.
The "precision" argument was settled a long time ago when it was proven that indeed $10 quartz watch performs time keeping better than a $10K swiss with precision diamond gears..
IMHO within this context, an AMG GT is a superb modern choice of precision and performance.
Cheers
03-03-2019, 09:55 AM
#30
Melting Slicks
Why not try? It would contribute to this thread immensely.
So far you listed one: PDK (introduced in 2009). Great for low - mid torque cars. Incompatible (to date) with high torque cars like Corvette Z06 and ZR1.
I am glad you mentioned the GT3 (congratulations BTW!) That "high revving" experience is very tempting but the car also exemplifies the costs required to make it a mid field contender to keep up with the competition: 490 SAE HP 329 lb-ft for $200K and like you said no
So a very exciting high rev zing zing toy with 30 more HP and 136 LESS torque of a base C7 for a mere 140K premium.
I am not trying to belittle your very nice car. Just rational numbers to illustrate the older "that lady" ages the more it needs to look good...
Cheers
So far you listed one: PDK (introduced in 2009). Great for low - mid torque cars. Incompatible (to date) with high torque cars like Corvette Z06 and ZR1.
I am glad you mentioned the GT3 (congratulations BTW!) That "high revving" experience is very tempting but the car also exemplifies the costs required to make it a mid field contender to keep up with the competition: 490 SAE HP 329 lb-ft for $200K and like you said no
So a very exciting high rev zing zing toy with 30 more HP and 136 LESS torque of a base C7 for a mere 140K premium.
I am not trying to belittle your very nice car. Just rational numbers to illustrate the older "that lady" ages the more it needs to look good...
Cheers
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03-03-2019, 10:23 AM
#31
Yoda would say "A broken Record You Are".
Your 2017 0-60 911.1 S egregious performance claims have been proven false along with your unsubstantiated claims that Porsche intentionally under reports performance by a whooping 35-45% margin of error.
Like stated, the only proven under reporting Porsche has done is in the area of carbon emissions.
Like I stated several times. All myths have expiration dates and the ones you continue to promulgate infinitum are really starting to decay and stink no matter how much you keep spraying them with your sugarly delivery.
Let's see now what your friend ByBy has to say on the subject. LoL!
Your 2017 0-60 911.1 S egregious performance claims have been proven false along with your unsubstantiated claims that Porsche intentionally under reports performance by a whooping 35-45% margin of error.
Like stated, the only proven under reporting Porsche has done is in the area of carbon emissions.
Like I stated several times. All myths have expiration dates and the ones you continue to promulgate infinitum are really starting to decay and stink no matter how much you keep spraying them with your sugarly delivery.
Let's see now what your friend ByBy has to say on the subject. LoL!
03-03-2019, 10:38 AM
#32
Melting Slicks
Yoda would say "A broken Record You Are".
Your 2017 0-60 911.1 S egregious performance claims have been proven false along with your unsubstantiated claims that Porsche intentionally under reports performance by a whooping 35-45% margin of error.
Like stated, the only proven under reporting Porsche has done is in the area of carbon emissions.
Like I stated several times. All myths have expiration dates and the ones you continue to promulgate infinitum are really starting to decay and stink no matter how much you keep spraying them with your sugarly delivery.
Let's see now what your friend ByBy has to say on the subject. LoL!
Your 2017 0-60 911.1 S egregious performance claims have been proven false along with your unsubstantiated claims that Porsche intentionally under reports performance by a whooping 35-45% margin of error.
Like stated, the only proven under reporting Porsche has done is in the area of carbon emissions.
Like I stated several times. All myths have expiration dates and the ones you continue to promulgate infinitum are really starting to decay and stink no matter how much you keep spraying them with your sugarly delivery.
Let's see now what your friend ByBy has to say on the subject. LoL!
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03-03-2019, 10:40 AM
#33
Melting Slicks
Yoda would say "A broken Record You Are".
Your 2017 0-60 911.1 S egregious performance claims have been proven false along with your unsubstantiated claims that Porsche intentionally under reports performance by a whooping 35-45% margin of error.
Like stated, the only proven under reporting Porsche has done is in the area of carbon emissions.
Like I stated several times. All myths have expiration dates and the ones you continue to promulgate infinitum are really starting to decay and stink no matter how much you keep spraying them with your sugarly delivery.
Let's see now what your friend ByBy has to say on the subject. LoL!
Your 2017 0-60 911.1 S egregious performance claims have been proven false along with your unsubstantiated claims that Porsche intentionally under reports performance by a whooping 35-45% margin of error.
Like stated, the only proven under reporting Porsche has done is in the area of carbon emissions.
Like I stated several times. All myths have expiration dates and the ones you continue to promulgate infinitum are really starting to decay and stink no matter how much you keep spraying them with your sugarly delivery.
Let's see now what your friend ByBy has to say on the subject. LoL!
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03-03-2019, 10:50 AM
#34
Darn...you are Yoda!
This thread so far has 33 posts (counting your 911 sales pitches) and 1769 views.
I shoul-da, woul-da, coul-da....Do you really think I care about your motherly 911 pontificating?
1769 views...I say let's keep at it "mom" at let the chips fall were they may...
FUN...... no!?
This thread so far has 33 posts (counting your 911 sales pitches) and 1769 views.
I shoul-da, woul-da, coul-da....Do you really think I care about your motherly 911 pontificating?
1769 views...I say let's keep at it "mom" at let the chips fall were they may...
FUN...... no!?
03-03-2019, 10:59 AM
#35
Banned Scam/Spammer
Who would want the most performance for their money? I guess there are guys out there who want the one with the best stitching of the interior when looked over with a 10 power loop, yes indeed. Those things matter when you show off your new snob mobile to the Country Club boys.
03-03-2019, 11:15 AM
#36
Please back up your claims with something other than your opinion. Car and Driver and other testers have published the numbers.....not I. Feel free to bend the data to match your reality😏. Also a 2017 is a 991.2.....perhaps you misread some of your research😎. It appears your the minority at this point in your views. Sorry my man!
https://www.dw.com/en/flight-risk-po...dal/a-43471845
https://www.businessinsider.com/r-po...ys-2018-4?IR=T
https://www.businessinsider.de/volks...18-4?r=US&IR=T
03-03-2019, 11:59 AM
#37
Melting Slicks
Darn...you are Yoda!
This thread so far has 33 posts (counting your 911 sales pitches) and 1769 views.
I shoul-da, woul-da, coul-da....Do you really think I care about your motherly 911 pontificating?
1769 views...I say let's keep at it "mom" at let the chips fall were they may...
FUN...... no!?
This thread so far has 33 posts (counting your 911 sales pitches) and 1769 views.
I shoul-da, woul-da, coul-da....Do you really think I care about your motherly 911 pontificating?
1769 views...I say let's keep at it "mom" at let the chips fall were they may...
FUN...... no!?
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03-03-2019, 12:03 PM
#38
Melting Slicks
Upside down bath tub, too funny but so true. Those things still just smack "Punch Buggy" when you see them. It always amuses me how the Porsche defenders of the faith circle the wagons every time the taboo subject of performance differentials are discussed or even mentioned. All of a sudden its about "build quality" and a raft of other totally unquantifiable , intangible parameters which is really not much more than BS.
Who would want the most performance for their money? I guess there are guys out there who want the one with the best stitching of the interior when looked over with a 10 power loop, yes indeed. Those things matter when you show off your new snob mobile to the Country Club boys.
Who would want the most performance for their money? I guess there are guys out there who want the one with the best stitching of the interior when looked over with a 10 power loop, yes indeed. Those things matter when you show off your new snob mobile to the Country Club boys.
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03-03-2019, 12:10 PM
#39
Banned Scam/Spammer
I read well thank you very much. I said performance not just straight line metrics. It is obviously you who needs to polish their comprehension skills or are you blinded by insecurity when some of question the 911 which is obviously quite dear to your heart.
03-03-2019, 12:18 PM
#40
Melting Slicks
Sounds like you are having a rough morning there DR. You've got 2 consecutive posts where you find the need to beat down anyone who would dare to question the superiority of the 911.
I read well thank you very much. I said performance not just straight line metrics. It is obviously you who needs to polish their comprehension skills or are you blinded by insecurity when some of question the 911 which is obviously quite dear to your heart.
I read well thank you very much. I said performance not just straight line metrics. It is obviously you who needs to polish their comprehension skills or are you blinded by insecurity when some of question the 911 which is obviously quite dear to your heart.