C8 Deposit - Kerbeck List
03-09-2019, 02:43 PM
#101
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And just to add what I was saying above, in 2005 I walked into my local Ferrari dealer and put my name on a list to order the recently released F430 Spider. No deposit was required to be on the list. When they finally called me to come in and order the car, I did so and ordered a well optioned car, red with tan interior. Window sticker was $285,000.00. No deposit was required to order the car. I would, not for one second, consider ordering any car when, at the time of ordering, a 5% of MSRP deposit needed to be paid and, along with the original $1000.00 deposit, was non refundable. Let's say the MSRP was $80,000.00. That's $5000.00 non refundable at the time of ordering. The car arrives, you don't want it for whatever reason, you are out 5K and the dealer has no problem selling it to someone else. No thank you.
Ferrari dealers are protected regionally (on new cars). So, if you live in L.A., you can't order a new Ferrari from the Denver dealer. On new cars, Ferrari dealers are NOT competing with each other for the new Ferrari buyer, only other brands (Lamborghini, McLaren, etc...)
A Corvette buyer can order from ANY Chevy dealer, ANY where.
Last edited by jimmyb; 03-09-2019 at 02:46 PM.
03-09-2019, 03:30 PM
#102
So, you think a Ferrari purchase and a Corvette purchase are the same?
Ferrari dealers are protected regionally (on new cars). So, if you live in L.A., you can't order a new Ferrari from the Denver dealer. On new cars, Ferrari dealers are NOT competing with each other for the new Ferrari buyer, only other brands (Lamborghini, McLaren, etc...)
A Corvette buyer can order from ANY Chevy dealer, ANY where.
Ferrari dealers are protected regionally (on new cars). So, if you live in L.A., you can't order a new Ferrari from the Denver dealer. On new cars, Ferrari dealers are NOT competing with each other for the new Ferrari buyer, only other brands (Lamborghini, McLaren, etc...)
A Corvette buyer can order from ANY Chevy dealer, ANY where.
03-09-2019, 03:53 PM
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No price, no delivery date, no photos, no specs.
IMO, this is really pre-mature. And it's anti-competition. Locking your money up at one dealer stops you from looking at others.
"Yes, we will get you one of the first ones from your deposit.... here's your price. Don't like it? I'll give you your money back and goes to the next guy".
IMO these kinds of tactics only hurt dealer/ customer relationships in the long run. People are upset it's taking so long, that what they wanted is not what is offered and they are disappointed, that others get their cars before they did, that its money spent that restricts your freedom of choice.
I can understand when the car is released publicly, prices announced, and specs released. At least you know what you are buying and for how much. And what if Chevy finds another technical problem and delays the release again? That's not possible?
For heaven's sake -- at least wait for the MSRP!
IMO, this is really pre-mature. And it's anti-competition. Locking your money up at one dealer stops you from looking at others.
"Yes, we will get you one of the first ones from your deposit.... here's your price. Don't like it? I'll give you your money back and goes to the next guy".
IMO these kinds of tactics only hurt dealer/ customer relationships in the long run. People are upset it's taking so long, that what they wanted is not what is offered and they are disappointed, that others get their cars before they did, that its money spent that restricts your freedom of choice.
I can understand when the car is released publicly, prices announced, and specs released. At least you know what you are buying and for how much. And what if Chevy finds another technical problem and delays the release again? That's not possible?
For heaven's sake -- at least wait for the MSRP!
03-09-2019, 04:22 PM
#104
No price, no delivery date, no photos, no specs.
IMO, this is really pre-mature. And it's anti-competition. Locking your money up at one dealer stops you from looking at others.
"Yes, we will get you one of the first ones from your deposit.... here's your price. Don't like it? I'll give you your money back and goes to the next guy".
IMO these kinds of tactics only hurt dealer/ customer relationships in the long run. People are upset it's taking so long, that what they wanted is not what is offered and they are disappointed, that others get their cars before they did, that its money spent that restricts your freedom of choice.
I can understand when the car is released publicly, prices announced, and specs released. At least you know what you are buying and for how much. And what if Chevy finds another technical problem and delays the release again? That's not possible?
For heaven's sake -- at least wait for the MSRP!
IMO, this is really pre-mature. And it's anti-competition. Locking your money up at one dealer stops you from looking at others.
"Yes, we will get you one of the first ones from your deposit.... here's your price. Don't like it? I'll give you your money back and goes to the next guy".
IMO these kinds of tactics only hurt dealer/ customer relationships in the long run. People are upset it's taking so long, that what they wanted is not what is offered and they are disappointed, that others get their cars before they did, that its money spent that restricts your freedom of choice.
I can understand when the car is released publicly, prices announced, and specs released. At least you know what you are buying and for how much. And what if Chevy finds another technical problem and delays the release again? That's not possible?
For heaven's sake -- at least wait for the MSRP!
A $1,000 is a pretty cheap investment for those of us with ADD. Like the song from Queen, "I want it all and I want it now".
I don't think too many people are going to complain they lost $10- $15 in interest tying up their money if they don't like the car. But if they love it, it's money well spent.
Like the old saying goes...'Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it'.
03-09-2019, 10:09 PM
#105
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My point is that YOUR deposit free Ferrari is a LOT less painful for YOUR Ferrari dealer when he knows YOU are a captured customer....you can't go to another Ferrari dealer in another area and order a car. Want a Ferrari? YOU HAVE ONE DEALER CHOICE.
A Corvette dealer does not have that substantial sense of security on a new car order (especially a NEW generation Corvette).
When the C7 was coming on line, there were LOTS of guys on this very forum that had refundable deposits at MULTIPLE dealers. Who ever got an allocation first, got the order. The rest....well they processed paperwork to receive and then return this guy's money and got NOTHING for the trouble.
If you can't see how this different, I can't explain it any clearer.
A Corvette dealer does not have that substantial sense of security on a new car order (especially a NEW generation Corvette).
When the C7 was coming on line, there were LOTS of guys on this very forum that had refundable deposits at MULTIPLE dealers. Who ever got an allocation first, got the order. The rest....well they processed paperwork to receive and then return this guy's money and got NOTHING for the trouble.
If you can't see how this different, I can't explain it any clearer.
Last edited by jimmyb; 03-09-2019 at 10:14 PM.
03-09-2019, 10:32 PM
#106
Yes, you'll get a number once we have your deposit. However, you need to look bigger. Since we average over 100 new cars per currently, I'd like to think #50 on our list would be a very, very early car. Of course I don't know what our allocation is yet, but if it's based on recent sales I'd like to think we can keep close to our average. Here's keeping our fingers crossed!
Dave
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03-10-2019, 12:28 PM
#107
My point is that YOUR deposit free Ferrari is a LOT less painful for YOUR Ferrari dealer when he knows YOU are a captured customer....you can't go to another Ferrari dealer in another area and order a car. Want a Ferrari? YOU HAVE ONE DEALER CHOICE.
A Corvette dealer does not have that substantial sense of security on a new car order (especially a NEW generation Corvette).
When the C7 was coming on line, there were LOTS of guys on this very forum that had refundable deposits at MULTIPLE dealers. Who ever got an allocation first, got the order. The rest....well they processed paperwork to receive and then return this guy's money and got NOTHING for the trouble.
If you can't see how this different, I can't explain it any clearer.
A Corvette dealer does not have that substantial sense of security on a new car order (especially a NEW generation Corvette).
When the C7 was coming on line, there were LOTS of guys on this very forum that had refundable deposits at MULTIPLE dealers. Who ever got an allocation first, got the order. The rest....well they processed paperwork to receive and then return this guy's money and got NOTHING for the trouble.
If you can't see how this different, I can't explain it any clearer.
03-10-2019, 12:45 PM
#108
Melting Slicks
I won't be leaving a deposit with Kerbeck because I live in the wrong state. So, why don't they sell to people living in MT, OR, NH, or AK?
03-10-2019, 01:04 PM
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Melting Slicks
03-10-2019, 04:06 PM
#111
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Take that up with Sin City. He's the one who made that suggestion as a bona fide reason to not put down a deposit, not me. My major point is to address those people who take issue with a dealer's policy on this. It is completely valid for you to object to this policy and not participate because of it. That's your right and no one should deny that to you. But to imply or suggest that OTHER people should not take advantage of such a policy is beyond anyone's remit. It's none of their business. I and other people are perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves.
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03-10-2019, 06:59 PM
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03-10-2019, 07:02 PM
#113
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03-10-2019, 07:56 PM
#114
Melting Slicks
03-10-2019, 09:27 PM
#115
Should it be refundable if built for you?
If you are ordering a car built to order with your custom features and colors you want, why would you think the dealer would refund your deposit?
If you walk away when car comes in , they may own an ugly color combo with silly non matching interior and be stuck with the other 95% of the cars cost.
Am I missing something?
If you walk away when car comes in , they may own an ugly color combo with silly non matching interior and be stuck with the other 95% of the cars cost.
Am I missing something?
03-10-2019, 09:38 PM
#116
Melting Slicks
If you are ordering a car built to order with your custom features and colors you want, why would you think the dealer would refund your deposit?
If you walk away when car comes in , they may own an ugly color combo with silly non matching interior and be stuck with the other 95% of the cars cost.
Am I missing something?
If you walk away when car comes in , they may own an ugly color combo with silly non matching interior and be stuck with the other 95% of the cars cost.
Am I missing something?
03-10-2019, 09:52 PM
#118
Race Director
^^^^
Obviously some here....
Obviously some here....
03-11-2019, 12:01 AM
#119
Le Mans Master
03-11-2019, 01:45 AM
#120
Walk, with 100% of your deposit returned.
.. As we learned from the guy on C7, Forum last week who rejected a damaged new ZR1- it's the manufacturer's responsibility to make it right. Not the Chev. dealer's. And when the Chevrolet dealer didn't make it right - the dealership owner angrily blamed the customer that walked on the car. And said; don't come back!
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.. As we learned from the guy on C7, Forum last week who rejected a damaged new ZR1- it's the manufacturer's responsibility to make it right. Not the Chev. dealer's. And when the Chevrolet dealer didn't make it right - the dealership owner angrily blamed the customer that walked on the car. And said; don't come back!
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