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Old 03-13-2019, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom73
Corvette was never intended to be a car that you will meet every fifth car on the road. It is intentionally a limited production car.
Limited production....LOL? Not in the world I’m familiar with. Nothing limited when supply exceeds demand and 20% discounts.
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Originally Posted by Supermassive
I always laugh when I hear people complain of dealer mark-ups. If it is an issue where you live order your car from someplace else...its so trivial that the only people who should be paying mark-ups are those poor uninformed folks that actually believe the salespeople have their best interest at heart. The big Corvette dealers are already offering allocations at MSRP and having a car delivered to a local GM dealer is often free of charge...or hell order your car and get a museum delivery and drive it home!
I live in Canada and dealer mark ups are very real in my large city. I can not afford a new car with out having one to see first. Costs a lot of money to bring a new car from out of province or country.
Costs 1800 just to get one delivered 5 hours away.....
Old 03-13-2019, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mschuyler
The more important question is will it make money for GM at $60K? They have a classic case of a Laffer Curve here. At a certain point an increase in price will result in a drop off of sales. That's a different point than when a drop off in sales will result in a decease in profits. I'm sure the bean counters have all sorts of equations to determine this, but they might not be in favor of the buyer.
With the rare exception GM uses the cost plus method in setting the price for Corvettes. Porsche OTOH uses the what the market will bear method in setting the prices for their models. There's a hell of a lot of profit in that 991 base or S which typically sticker in the $120K - $140K range.

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Old 03-14-2019, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mschuyler
The more important question is will it make money for GM at $60K? They have a classic case of a Laffer Curve here. At a certain point an increase in price will result in a drop off of sales. That's a different point than when a drop off in sales will result in a decease in profits. I'm sure the bean counters have all sorts of equations to determine this, but they might not be in favor of the buyer.
Not sure I would use the Laffer Curve in this analysis. It proved to be in fact Voodoo Economics. More importantly, there would be no benefit in selling the Corvette below costs so there is a floor. Obviously the snake oil salesmen still selling the Laffer Curve don't believe in a floor and still argue lower taxes will increase revenue.
Old 03-14-2019, 08:16 AM
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$60k is fake news
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:39 AM
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Plenty of large dealers selling at MSRP. Do museum delivery or a dealer transfer.
Old 03-14-2019, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kozmic
Don't think I have read/seen anything that makes me believe the base ME car will be a "supercar".
You do realize that there is no definition of what constitutes a "supercar". It is a meaningless term.
Old 03-14-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffthunbird
$60k is fake news
I agree. A base 2019 C7 with auto has a MSRP close to 60K. if true my first question would be what did they cheapen, not improve?

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Old 03-14-2019, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by punky
You do realize that there is no definition of what constitutes a "supercar". It is a meaningless term.
Oh geez... let's please not start yet another debate over the word "supercar".

I know you can see that my comment was in reply to someone else's use of the term, so I will let whatever definition stand that was intended by the person to whom I was replying.

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Old 03-14-2019, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by C7nut
I agree. A base 2019 C7 with auto has a MSRP close to 60K. if true my first question would be what did they cheapen, not improve?
I don't see why the C8 would be more expensive to produce, aside from the low-volume transmission.
Old 03-14-2019, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Warp Factor
I don't see why the C8 would be more expensive to produce, aside from the low-volume transmission.
+1

It seems that a lot of folks fall prey to comparison pricing of ME cars with very limited production or with exotic materials usage, assuming all ME cars must automatically be expensive to produce... this is simply not true at all.

With a healthy production run, and using similar build and/or interior materials to that of the C7, there is nothing more than perhaps the transaxle that should add any sort of "default" additional cost to produce the base model version.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:14 PM
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And that is offset to some extent by elimination of the torque tube. If the same basic transaxle is suitable for all power levels of the various ME models with minor internal parts differences here and there, which is likely, the price per unit could be cut dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
If it's under $65K I can afford it. Once my daughter is out of daycare I can afford the "Z06"
If it's "$65K," you can afford $70K, or more. The pathetic high-rollers around here that don't blink @ $60K, but clam-up and decry poverty at $66K........
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The over under is around $65K +/-, according to one high volume Chevy salesman.
Old 03-14-2019, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe
If it's "$65K," you can afford $70K, or more. The pathetic high-rollers around here that don't blink @ $60K, but clam-up and decry poverty at $66K........
The $1,000 a month for daycare will buy a lot of car!
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The $1,000 a month for daycare will buy a lot of car!
In fact, it is an entire car. But that's not what we're talking about here. The difference between a $60K car and a $66K car is what? About $50.00 per month.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mschuyler
In fact, it is an entire car. But that's not what we're talking about here. The difference between a $60K car and a $66K car is what? About $50.00 per month.
More like $110/month. The general rule is every $10K financed is 200/month.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by msm859
Not sure I would use the Laffer Curve in this analysis. It proved to be in fact Voodoo Economics. More importantly, there would be no benefit in selling the Corvette below costs so there is a floor. Obviously the snake oil salesmen still selling the Laffer Curve don't believe in a floor and still argue lower taxes will increase revenue.
Thank you... thank you very much...

(... the Laugher Curve...!... sheesh some people should actually read a book)
Old 03-14-2019, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
And that is offset to some extent by elimination of the torque tube. If the same basic transaxle is suitable for all power levels of the various ME models with minor internal parts differences here and there, which is likely, the price per unit could be cut dramatically.
Absolutely....

Do not confuse the concepts of "Cost", "Price" and "Demand"... there is absolutely NO statistical relationship between these. Period.

Research the Maine lobster industry, and DeBeers.

From 1960 through today, the annual demand for Corvettes is between 20-50K. The demand for Porsches is roughly about 10K and Ferraris about 1K-3K.

This has nothing to do with price... hundreds of thousands of people spend $60K for a pick-up.... Its about market segments, and this is pretty-much the market space for 2 seat sports cars regardless of price.

Its called "disposable" income. People who will rip your face off over 50 cents a pound on a shipment of bologna, will blow $15K in Vegas or buy a $100K speedboat.

Basically, if you can afford $65K on a useless toy, you can afford $80K on the same useless toy.
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Originally Posted by kozmic
Yes, with a $60k base price, the ME car would absolutely sell a bunch... might even hit 50k units/yr like in '84.
$60k sounds about right.

How much extra for an Engine and Drivetrain?


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