C8 reveal idea
03-18-2019, 12:17 PM
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03-18-2019, 12:18 PM
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03-18-2019, 01:22 PM
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Have you ever been to Bowling Green? I've been about 6 or 7 times and I've had no problems getting a top rated(by trip Advisor) motel room or finding an empty table at a nearby restaurant.
Bowling Green has ~45 motels and ~226 restaurants. Nashville has ~232 motels and ~1,176 restaurants.
That would around 17,000+ motel rooms and 70,000+ restaurant seats.
It doesn't take a couple thousand "journalist' to cover such an event.
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03-18-2019, 01:49 PM
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Was that an insult? Never mind, I've learned enough from several other of your postings to no longer respond to your taunts.
In another thread on this forum you quoted me, then rewrote my post making it appear to be my words. That was removed by a moderator because you violated forum rules. It was also juvenile and fraudulent.
This is my last response to you.
In another thread on this forum you quoted me, then rewrote my post making it appear to be my words. That was removed by a moderator because you violated forum rules. It was also juvenile and fraudulent.
This is my last response to you.
03-18-2019, 01:50 PM
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As exciting as it would be for Corvette fanatics, a BG reveal is not an effective media strategy. For maximum impact, it needs to occur in a major metro area that won't have difficulty attracting max media coverage. The number of stories written is highly correlated with the number of journalists present. Not nearly as many will travel to a small town in a rural area to cover a car reveal.
Even if GM stages it's own event to reveal and doesn't go the major car show route, that event needs to be in a very large media center like NYC. In a big media center, it wouldn't just be automotive press present, it would also include a large number of journalists from mainstream media outlets.
For example, for the last several years, both the "Today Show" on NBC, and "CBS This Morning" have covered the NYC auto show live on-air.
Now GM could do the same thing at BGA to tickle the fancies of Corvette fans, but it should occur AFTER the major media reveal.
Even if GM stages it's own event to reveal and doesn't go the major car show route, that event needs to be in a very large media center like NYC. In a big media center, it wouldn't just be automotive press present, it would also include a large number of journalists from mainstream media outlets.
For example, for the last several years, both the "Today Show" on NBC, and "CBS This Morning" have covered the NYC auto show live on-air.
Now GM could do the same thing at BGA to tickle the fancies of Corvette fans, but it should occur AFTER the major media reveal.
If Chevrolet wants the worldwide media present, wherever they unveile the C8, they will simply have their media people do a press release 7-10 days out, which is customary for publicizing an event. The automotive media will be there in full-force, even in little ole Bowling Green.
It could definitely take place at the NCM. I don’t know that it will, but it could prove to be as exciting a venue as any other.
As far as the attendees... yeah, there will be a microcosm of true Corvette enthusiasts at the NCM. All shapes, sizes and ages, races, and levels of wealth, wearing comfortable clothes for a mostly outdoor event. But these are obviously the market that Chevrolet will need to impress first.
A couple years ago, my wife I attended all of the big buck events at Monterey Car Week; McCall’s Motorworks Revival (VIP tickets) the Quail, and Pebble beach. Tickets for each of those events are hundreds of dollars per person. That is, I’m sure, in part to keep the riffraf out. Well we fooled them and we bucked up and got into each event. And, guess what, although I was in khakis and a polo, there was Jay Leno at the Quail in his chambray shirt and blue jeans, no flip flops though.
It’s about the car, stupid! Yeah, Chevrolet, do it at the Museum/Plant/MotorsportsPark.
It could definitely take place at the NCM. I don’t know that it will, but it could prove to be as exciting a venue as any other.
As far as the attendees... yeah, there will be a microcosm of true Corvette enthusiasts at the NCM. All shapes, sizes and ages, races, and levels of wealth, wearing comfortable clothes for a mostly outdoor event. But these are obviously the market that Chevrolet will need to impress first.
A couple years ago, my wife I attended all of the big buck events at Monterey Car Week; McCall’s Motorworks Revival (VIP tickets) the Quail, and Pebble beach. Tickets for each of those events are hundreds of dollars per person. That is, I’m sure, in part to keep the riffraf out. Well we fooled them and we bucked up and got into each event. And, guess what, although I was in khakis and a polo, there was Jay Leno at the Quail in his chambray shirt and blue jeans, no flip flops though.
It’s about the car, stupid! Yeah, Chevrolet, do it at the Museum/Plant/MotorsportsPark.
I have to agree with Mschuyler on this one even though I really want to do the Bash someday. The word that we need to think about is "optics". He it this on the head pretty accurately, and since the Corvette is still viewed as an old man mid life crisis car, optics for a reveal like this is extremely important. The average buyer will likely not change much, but GM would want to appeal to a more "youthful" audience. We all know that younger people likely can't afford to buy a Corvette brand new, but GM needs to generate interest in a younger audience to benefit from the "halo car" effect.
A reveal at NYIAS would be much more beneficial to GM as the car would simply steal the show at the largest car show in the US and arguably the world. It would eclipse any other car revealed at the show because it is a) a new Corvette and b) a mid-engine Corvette. Honestly, Porsche could reveal a mid engine 911 and it would be a blip in the news compared to the change for Corvette. Revealing at the Bash would do none of that, it would have very little in the way of direct impact in auto news because it would be revealed alone with nothing to contrast it against other than previous generation Vettes. Then there is the Bash itself, which I believe would be a lot of fun to go to, but is the wrong "look" for a worldwide reveal. Porsche has never revealed a new generation 911 at a car meet, they reveal variants but not full on generational changes.
So while Mschuyler might be a bit more direct about the issue, I have to side with his idea that the NCM Bash is not a good venue for a brand new generational introduction of the Corvette. So yeah the image that he references is certainly fine for a meet, but not really suitable for a reveal as important as the C8.
A reveal at NYIAS would be much more beneficial to GM as the car would simply steal the show at the largest car show in the US and arguably the world. It would eclipse any other car revealed at the show because it is a) a new Corvette and b) a mid-engine Corvette. Honestly, Porsche could reveal a mid engine 911 and it would be a blip in the news compared to the change for Corvette. Revealing at the Bash would do none of that, it would have very little in the way of direct impact in auto news because it would be revealed alone with nothing to contrast it against other than previous generation Vettes. Then there is the Bash itself, which I believe would be a lot of fun to go to, but is the wrong "look" for a worldwide reveal. Porsche has never revealed a new generation 911 at a car meet, they reveal variants but not full on generational changes.
So while Mschuyler might be a bit more direct about the issue, I have to side with his idea that the NCM Bash is not a good venue for a brand new generational introduction of the Corvette. So yeah the image that he references is certainly fine for a meet, but not really suitable for a reveal as important as the C8.
So, with that IMO the ME has to be revealed this year, somewhere, before the Summer Car Show Season as this is getting very long toothed. After the reveal, most of us Corvette Enthusiasts will find some way, somewhere it experience it and hopefully get into one. This Year before the Corvette winter recess. Most reasonable people will need that prior to actually buying one.
For me and the ‘14 C7 it was at a little Corvette car 2013 Summer show in Annapolis, MD where anyone could get close and into one C7 Vert. No ropes just a hands on experience. A much better personal experience than when I attended the NYC Auto Show earlier that same year.
Next up up for me was Corvettes at Carlisle where it was the new C7 Heaven with most all colors coupes and verts. For others I’d expect they’d look for shows closer to home than me in Pennsylvania..
P.S. Got my ‘14 C7 11/03/2013.
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03-18-2019, 01:56 PM
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All good points and arguments and personally I’m disappointed it won’t be on display in NYC this Spring thus would have to be revealed before then. That has to happen first. And probably not revealed at the BASH either, but....?
So, with that IMO the ME has to be revealed this year, somewhere, before the Summer Car Show Season as this is getting very long toothed. After the reveal, most of us Corvette Enthusiasts will find some way, somewhere it experience it and hopefully get into one. This Year before the Corvette winter recess. Most reasonable people will need that prior to actually buying one.
For me and the ‘14 C7 it was at a little Corvette car Summer show in Annapolis, MD where anyone could get close and into one C7 Vert. No ropes just a hands on experience. A much better personal experience than when I attended the NYC Auto Show earlier that same year.
Next up up for me was Corvettes at Carlisle where it was the new C7 Heaven with most all colors coupes and verts. For others I’d expect they’d look for shows closer to home than me in Pennsylvania..
So, with that IMO the ME has to be revealed this year, somewhere, before the Summer Car Show Season as this is getting very long toothed. After the reveal, most of us Corvette Enthusiasts will find some way, somewhere it experience it and hopefully get into one. This Year before the Corvette winter recess. Most reasonable people will need that prior to actually buying one.
For me and the ‘14 C7 it was at a little Corvette car Summer show in Annapolis, MD where anyone could get close and into one C7 Vert. No ropes just a hands on experience. A much better personal experience than when I attended the NYC Auto Show earlier that same year.
Next up up for me was Corvettes at Carlisle where it was the new C7 Heaven with most all colors coupes and verts. For others I’d expect they’d look for shows closer to home than me in Pennsylvania..
No matter where the C8 reveal takes place, it will be months before it will be available to purchase. Even if one doesn't see the first reveal, there will be plenty of time to digest just what the car is before you decide whether to buy one, or not.
03-18-2019, 02:03 PM
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Exactly, you do a big, glitzy, media splash in a place like NYC, which starts the buzz with a lot of stories, put out a lot of photos, let the car mags test it, then it goes on tour at places like the Bash and other car gatherings before they start showing up at dealers. That's about a 6-8 month process. During that period, the order book starts filling up, much more so than those who are getting their names on a list for a car not yet seen.
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03-18-2019, 02:05 PM
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I wasn't at the Detroit show in Jan, 2013 to see the C7, but I did see it at the spring NASCAR race at the Talladega Super Speedway. BUT, before I saw it in person, I had seen tons of photos, and read all the specs etc on the Internet.
No matter where the C8 reveal takes place, it will be months before it will be available to purchase. Even if one doesn't see the first reveal, there will be plenty of time to digest just what the car is before you decide whether to buy one, or not.
No matter where the C8 reveal takes place, it will be months before it will be available to purchase. Even if one doesn't see the first reveal, there will be plenty of time to digest just what the car is before you decide whether to buy one, or not.
03-18-2019, 02:15 PM
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Exactly, you do a big, glitzy, media splash in a place like NYC, which starts the buzz with a lot of stories, put out a lot of photos, let the car mags test it, then it goes on tour at places like the Bash and other car gatherings before they start showing up at dealers. That's about a 6-8 month process. During that period, the order book starts filling up, much more so than those who are getting their names on a list for a car not yet seen.
SO, GM are you with us! The calendar is ticking.......... NY or Bust! (Other soon events acceptable)
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03-18-2019, 02:26 PM
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03-18-2019, 02:37 PM
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I never insulted any individual like you have. You are just butt hurt that I called out your "idea" of a reveal that has so many problems that it couldn't be done on logistics alone. You continue to call me names without providing ANY justification for Picnic Reveal. Your "idea' CAN'T BE DONE logistically and SHOULDN'T be done from a marketing perspective. You have yet to provide any sort of justification. Fortunately, it's just a pipe dream on your part. If the bell bottom shirt crowd is "offended" at my remarks, I wear whatever epitaph they can conjure up proudly, because that is basically all they an muster. These are NOT the people GM should be concentrating on if they want the C8 to be a success. I quite recognize that you don't understand that
Have you ever considered taking one of those Dale Carnegie courses? You really should.
03-18-2019, 03:10 PM
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03-18-2019, 05:33 PM
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That makes sense to meet your personal level of being informed. I get it. For me I just had to set in one before deciding. Research, I also did like you. One thing I didn’t need was to drive one first. Never had too in any new Corvette I bought. For others a drive in a new to them Corvette is mandatory especially with this radical of a change going to the ME. I have faith.
03-18-2019, 08:42 PM
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Like many on here, I've been fortunate and been to BG many times. While BG and surrounds have everything to hold and feed people, it may not, and probably will not be the place for the actual, first-ever revealing of the new C8 Corvette ME. I think all the arguments against that location above are valid, however they may be worded.
Even tho we all know that the "journalists" are not really trained journalism-majors who graduated with that degree, the "writers" (which is a more accurate term) will revel amongst themselves at a location such as NYC or Boston or Chicago---even freezing Detroit in the heart of winter. Spring is almost here and Summer comes next. For some places north of the Mason-Dixon, Summer can be short, or shorter than Texas and Florida. So, I'm hoping the reveal is at least by the end of Summer or early Fall.
I also agree that whenever the car finally comes out from camo and hiding, there will an elapsed time for at least 4 months before the first one rolls off the line. Maybe I'm wrong on that one tho.
I can hardly wait to go tour the BG Plant again when it reopens for tours! That, to me, would be almost as good as owning a C8!!! Hmm, almost....
Even tho we all know that the "journalists" are not really trained journalism-majors who graduated with that degree, the "writers" (which is a more accurate term) will revel amongst themselves at a location such as NYC or Boston or Chicago---even freezing Detroit in the heart of winter. Spring is almost here and Summer comes next. For some places north of the Mason-Dixon, Summer can be short, or shorter than Texas and Florida. So, I'm hoping the reveal is at least by the end of Summer or early Fall.
I also agree that whenever the car finally comes out from camo and hiding, there will an elapsed time for at least 4 months before the first one rolls off the line. Maybe I'm wrong on that one tho.
I can hardly wait to go tour the BG Plant again when it reopens for tours! That, to me, would be almost as good as owning a C8!!! Hmm, almost....
03-18-2019, 10:37 PM
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No, but when combined with Nashville(an hour drive away by an Interstate highway) there are plenty of hotel rooms and restaurant tables.
Have you ever been to Bowling Green? I've been about 6 or 7 times and I've had no problems getting a top rated(by trip Advisor) motel room or finding an empty table at a nearby restaurant.
Bowling Green has ~45 motels and ~226 restaurants. Nashville has ~232 motels and ~1,176 restaurants.
That would around 17,000+ motel rooms and 70,000+ restaurant seats.
It doesn't take a couple thousand "journalist' to cover such an event.
Have you ever been to Bowling Green? I've been about 6 or 7 times and I've had no problems getting a top rated(by trip Advisor) motel room or finding an empty table at a nearby restaurant.
Bowling Green has ~45 motels and ~226 restaurants. Nashville has ~232 motels and ~1,176 restaurants.
That would around 17,000+ motel rooms and 70,000+ restaurant seats.
It doesn't take a couple thousand "journalist' to cover such an event.
biggest attraction other than NCM, is the Waffle House. Yes, I've been there.
03-18-2019, 10:44 PM
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And that's a problem right there. God, I hope they don't do this. Thousands of old Corvette geezers in shorts and flip flops showing off their beer bellies and varicose veins, gals with their sun visor hats crammed over their perms, all craning their necks for a look at the C8 under a tent in the NCM parking lot. The place will look like the County Fairgrounds. Kids with cotton candy stuck all over their faces. Guys burping cans of Mountain Dew, and the announcer in the distance congratulating Billy Bob for a successful Bronco Busting run on Black Thunder. Ee, haw!
Not exactly a Class Act.
Not exactly a Class Act.
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03-19-2019, 11:11 PM
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03-19-2019, 11:13 PM
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03-20-2019, 08:51 PM
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No, but when combined with Nashville(an hour drive away by an Interstate highway) there are plenty of hotel rooms and restaurant tables.
Have you ever been to Bowling Green? I've been about 6 or 7 times and I've had no problems getting a top rated(by trip Advisor) motel room or finding an empty table at a nearby restaurant.
Bowling Green has ~45 motels and ~226 restaurants. Nashville has ~232 motels and ~1,176 restaurants.
That would around 17,000+ motel rooms and 70,000+ restaurant seats.
It doesn't take a couple thousand "journalist' to cover such an event.
Have you ever been to Bowling Green? I've been about 6 or 7 times and I've had no problems getting a top rated(by trip Advisor) motel room or finding an empty table at a nearby restaurant.
Bowling Green has ~45 motels and ~226 restaurants. Nashville has ~232 motels and ~1,176 restaurants.
That would around 17,000+ motel rooms and 70,000+ restaurant seats.
It doesn't take a couple thousand "journalist' to cover such an event.
And the operative word is "motel" room.
Not to pile on Bowling Green, Ky, but here are 2016 facts and figures....
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/bowling-green-ky/
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