I wouldn't blink an eye at $100,000.00
03-22-2019, 10:50 AM
#141
Banned Scam/Spammer
03-22-2019, 10:57 AM
#142
Dilemma...
Picture it! Crazy Kids, demanding wife, and now pesky (C6 hating) 911 salesman's ringing at the door with crappy "3.1 GUARANTEED" while the dog is pulling on the boxers.. (pun intended).
Nah! the next sports car pic is going to take the same discipline, calm and cool headed thinking required for the current ones.
I swear, short of waiting for the C8 I would ship my 817HP Caravaggio laden C6 to Germany fetch 60K and 3x that to get a Vantage:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...vt=0&eim=1,2,6
PROBLEM IS the logistical upkeep...
Just like 911s, you can't really "touch" the car yourself.. and AM sends the white glove butler to fix things...
Will see...
Cheers
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03-22-2019, 12:54 PM
#143
Melting Slicks
Punky, Punky,Punky......didn’t your momma ever tell you if you don’t have something nice to say don’t say anything at all. You would be one silent dude if you followed her advice. LOL
03-22-2019, 01:16 PM
#144
Melting Slicks
What is it about a mid engine car that somehow changes what the car is capable of?
Can a mid engine sports car play nice as a GT? Yup, just look at the Mclarens...even with CF monocoque chassis' which is inherently louder than an aluminum one, McLarens are livable cars.
Can you daily a mid engine car? I don't see why not.
Can you grocery shop in a mid engine sports car? Yes, yes you can.
Can older folks still get into the car? Yup, without the heavy side bracing of CF chassis, the door sills look to be pretty much the same as the C7 and will likely have similar ingress/egress.
Does putting the engine behind the driver somehow necessitate a higher cost for materials? No.
See, I just don't understand how GM taking the Corvette and making it mid engine will threaten its position as THEE performance bargain sports car. With Porsche abandoning reason and taking the 911 completely out of the equation for people contemplating sports cars in this range, the C8 is set for record sales. When I bought my C7 I checked out the Cayman, which was fun fully kitted out in Cayman R trim, but the nearly $100k price tag made me look at the 911's on the lot. With 911's starting over $110k, there is no possibility that I would even consider one. So what other car resides in this space? The Cayman still does, but it is under powered and has the stigma of being the "baby P-car", other than that, there is nothing. Mustangs and Camaros are not really eating into Corvette sales, the BMW and AMG sport sedans and coupes are not a threat.
So, GM has a perfectly positioned car that has no competition and can literally monopolize this segment, but you think that because the car is mid engine that it will somehow lose its position?
Huh?
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03-22-2019, 01:23 PM
#145
Why?
What is it about a mid engine car that somehow changes what the car is capable of?
Can a mid engine sports car play nice as a GT? Yup, just look at the Mclarens...even with CF monocoque chassis' which is inherently louder than an aluminum one, McLarens are livable cars.
Can you daily a mid engine car? I don't see why not.
Can you grocery shop in a mid engine sports car? Yes, yes you can.
Can older folks still get into the car? Yup, without the heavy side bracing of CF chassis, the door sills look to be pretty much the same as the C7 and will likely have similar ingress/egress.
Does putting the engine behind the driver somehow necessitate a higher cost for materials? No.
See, I just don't understand how GM taking the Corvette and making it mid engine will threaten its position as THEE performance bargain sports car. With Porsche abandoning reason and taking the 911 completely out of the equation for people contemplating sports cars in this range, the C8 is set for record sales. When I bought my C7 I checked out the Cayman, which was fun fully kitted out in Cayman R trim, but the nearly $100k price tag made me look at the 911's on the lot. With 911's starting over $110k, there is no possibility that I would even consider one. So what other car resides in this space? The Cayman still does, but it is under powered and has the stigma of being the "baby P-car", other than that, there is nothing. Mustangs and Camaros are not really eating into Corvette sales, the BMW and AMG sport sedans and coupes are not a threat.
So, GM has a perfectly positioned car that has no competition and can literally monopolize this segment, but you think that because the car is mid engine that it will somehow lose its position?
Huh?
What is it about a mid engine car that somehow changes what the car is capable of?
Can a mid engine sports car play nice as a GT? Yup, just look at the Mclarens...even with CF monocoque chassis' which is inherently louder than an aluminum one, McLarens are livable cars.
Can you daily a mid engine car? I don't see why not.
Can you grocery shop in a mid engine sports car? Yes, yes you can.
Can older folks still get into the car? Yup, without the heavy side bracing of CF chassis, the door sills look to be pretty much the same as the C7 and will likely have similar ingress/egress.
Does putting the engine behind the driver somehow necessitate a higher cost for materials? No.
See, I just don't understand how GM taking the Corvette and making it mid engine will threaten its position as THEE performance bargain sports car. With Porsche abandoning reason and taking the 911 completely out of the equation for people contemplating sports cars in this range, the C8 is set for record sales. When I bought my C7 I checked out the Cayman, which was fun fully kitted out in Cayman R trim, but the nearly $100k price tag made me look at the 911's on the lot. With 911's starting over $110k, there is no possibility that I would even consider one. So what other car resides in this space? The Cayman still does, but it is under powered and has the stigma of being the "baby P-car", other than that, there is nothing. Mustangs and Camaros are not really eating into Corvette sales, the BMW and AMG sport sedans and coupes are not a threat.
So, GM has a perfectly positioned car that has no competition and can literally monopolize this segment, but you think that because the car is mid engine that it will somehow lose its position?
Huh?
03-22-2019, 01:39 PM
#147
Banned Scam/Spammer
You should take your own advice and stop talkin crap here about Corvettes. What does this actually do for you.
03-22-2019, 01:45 PM
#148
Le Mans Master
Why?
What is it about a mid engine car that somehow changes what the car is capable of?
Can a mid engine sports car play nice as a GT? Yup, just look at the Mclarens...even with CF monocoque chassis' which is inherently louder than an aluminum one, McLarens are livable cars.
Can you daily a mid engine car? I don't see why not.
Can you grocery shop in a mid engine sports car? Yes, yes you can.
Can older folks still get into the car? Yup, without the heavy side bracing of CF chassis, the door sills look to be pretty much the same as the C7 and will likely have similar ingress/egress.
Does putting the engine behind the driver somehow necessitate a higher cost for materials? No.
See, I just don't understand how GM taking the Corvette and making it mid engine will threaten its position as THEE performance bargain sports car. With Porsche abandoning reason and taking the 911 completely out of the equation for people contemplating sports cars in this range, the C8 is set for record sales. When I bought my C7 I checked out the Cayman, which was fun fully kitted out in Cayman R trim, but the nearly $100k price tag made me look at the 911's on the lot. With 911's starting over $110k, there is no possibility that I would even consider one. So what other car resides in this space? The Cayman still does, but it is under powered and has the stigma of being the "baby P-car", other than that, there is nothing. Mustangs and Camaros are not really eating into Corvette sales, the BMW and AMG sport sedans and coupes are not a threat.
So, GM has a perfectly positioned car that has no competition and can literally monopolize this segment, but you think that because the car is mid engine that it will somehow lose its position?
Huh?
What is it about a mid engine car that somehow changes what the car is capable of?
Can a mid engine sports car play nice as a GT? Yup, just look at the Mclarens...even with CF monocoque chassis' which is inherently louder than an aluminum one, McLarens are livable cars.
Can you daily a mid engine car? I don't see why not.
Can you grocery shop in a mid engine sports car? Yes, yes you can.
Can older folks still get into the car? Yup, without the heavy side bracing of CF chassis, the door sills look to be pretty much the same as the C7 and will likely have similar ingress/egress.
Does putting the engine behind the driver somehow necessitate a higher cost for materials? No.
See, I just don't understand how GM taking the Corvette and making it mid engine will threaten its position as THEE performance bargain sports car. With Porsche abandoning reason and taking the 911 completely out of the equation for people contemplating sports cars in this range, the C8 is set for record sales. When I bought my C7 I checked out the Cayman, which was fun fully kitted out in Cayman R trim, but the nearly $100k price tag made me look at the 911's on the lot. With 911's starting over $110k, there is no possibility that I would even consider one. So what other car resides in this space? The Cayman still does, but it is under powered and has the stigma of being the "baby P-car", other than that, there is nothing. Mustangs and Camaros are not really eating into Corvette sales, the BMW and AMG sport sedans and coupes are not a threat.
So, GM has a perfectly positioned car that has no competition and can literally monopolize this segment, but you think that because the car is mid engine that it will somehow lose its position?
Huh?
I guess you know you are rich when you don't care.
03-22-2019, 01:46 PM
#149
What will the "purists" here do when it turns out the C8 only offers a six cylinder, and a V8 isn't an option?
Abandon their orders like the XJ-220 buyers?
Abandon their orders like the XJ-220 buyers?
03-22-2019, 01:51 PM
#150
Banned Scam/Spammer
03-22-2019, 04:26 PM
#151
Melting Slicks
Well I'm saying that the Corvette has been used as a DD by many people and it is one of the selling points for those individuals. Also daily driving a $100k car isn't really all that odd, I mean here in Silicon Valley $100k Tesla Model S's and X's are everywhere mixing it up with all of the shitty Priuses and Model 3's. The fact that people spend that kind of money for a commuter car blows my mind, because they aren't that luxurious, the Cadillac CT6 is much nicer to be inside than any Tesla, but hey they can go into "ludicrous mode" for a party trick.
03-22-2019, 05:01 PM
#152
Team Owner
Well I'm saying that the Corvette has been used as a DD by many people and it is one of the selling points for those individuals. Also daily driving a $100k car isn't really all that odd, I mean here in Silicon Valley $100k Tesla Model S's and X's are everywhere mixing it up with all of the shitty Priuses and Model 3's. The fact that people spend that kind of money for a commuter car blows my mind, because they aren't that luxurious, the Cadillac CT6 is much nicer to be inside than any Tesla, but hey they can go into "ludicrous mode" for a party trick.
03-22-2019, 05:23 PM
#153
Melting Slicks
Given the base price is going to stay within the range of the C7 +10-13% you will be so lucky to only need to spend $65-$70K for what you're looking for.
Good thing you're willing to pay $40K over market value though. Let me refer you to the Ford dealerships that will have $40K mark-ups on 2020 GT500's. They love impulsive and ungrounded people like you.
Good thing you're willing to pay $40K over market value though. Let me refer you to the Ford dealerships that will have $40K mark-ups on 2020 GT500's. They love impulsive and ungrounded people like you.
03-22-2019, 05:45 PM
#154
Melting Slicks
You need to work on your reading comprehension. Look at my avatar and you will see my museum delivered Corvette. Have you ever cared enough about the Corvette experience to pay extra for it......then pay extra again to travel and stay at BG? I have also made countless trips to the April Bash, so don’t think for a second I don’t care about Corvette. Odds are good I care more than you. However, my eyes are open to other cars that interest me. You may not realize this, but both the Corvette and Porsche 911 are very iconic cars with rich histories. As an owner of my first 911 I can tell you it’s a fantastic car....and yes, I do prefer it over my past C7 for several reasons. Does it cost more....yes. Does it feel like it....yes. Is it a higher quality car....yes. Is it easier to live with.....yes. Am I very interested in the C8 ME.....yes. That’s why I purchased a 4 month old 911 with 3,800 miles to beat around in until the ME and the 992 come out. Once I see both products I will place my dealer order. I would suggest you need to develop an understanding that some people like cars other than just a Corvette. You should also understand that Corvettes, like any car has their advantages and disadvantages. And finally, you need to come to the realization, that it’s possible to like a particular car but realize their are many cars available that are superior in a variety of ways. As it currently sits with the current generations I like both....but favor the 911. We will see what the next generation holds....hopefully sooner than later.
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03-22-2019, 06:08 PM
#155
To beat the bludgeoned horse, it's not 100k base. 10% or so increase; given the investment/re-tooling the plant, it's fair. We'll see how it looks, how it performs, and how long it holds together.
The Corvette, as has been noted frequently, is a bargain sports car, that's it's appeal and what makes it more accessible. GM will not re-slot the 'Vette into the exotic price field, aside from the ZR1/Zora trim.
The Corvette, as has been noted frequently, is a bargain sports car, that's it's appeal and what makes it more accessible. GM will not re-slot the 'Vette into the exotic price field, aside from the ZR1/Zora trim.
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03-22-2019, 10:26 PM
#156
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I mentioned to you before that Dr. ice doesn't talk "crap" about Corvettes. I explained to you in another post about my stand etc and you accepted that. Why can't you see that he supports Corvettes AND Porsche, just like I do?
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03-22-2019, 10:53 PM
#157
Yes it is. It's low powered entering Miata territory. Has no business in the C7 league at all. Any more than the SUV Cayenne has anything to do with the C7. On comparative basis, neither belongs. Bring the 911. That's where the C7 is.
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03-22-2019, 11:01 PM
#158
We care alright. We just choose to drive that $100K to work and DD. I don't have a car budget, I drive exactly what I want to pay for. $10s of thousands one way or the other doesn't affect my ability to afford what I want. Lots of us are in that lifestyle choice mode.
03-23-2019, 07:47 AM
#159
Really. Power level on par with a Miata?
2019 Miata 181
2019 Base Cayman 300
2019 Cayman S 350
Sorry, I'd still take a Cayman GT4 over over any the C7 models. At least the GT4 has decent build quality, doesn't overheat on the track and hell, retains it's value.
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03-23-2019, 09:49 AM
#160
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Oh... the games that people play there ByBy (AKA Dr. wingman).
Any reader with modicum of reading comprehension can parse through all your Porsche ping pong games with the Dr. so he can pitch its fake 3.1 911 aspirational crap. You even make it "better" by suggesting the same stock 3400 pounds 911 with a little bit more than 300 Ft-lbs torque can do 2.8. LUNACY!
It's "I bought a Corvette" (IF that is even true) and the 911 is better because of unicorns and fairytales such as 3.1 and "Porsche underreports performance data. A literal copy and paste from $1 dollar waxed paper otherwise known as car magazine marketing.
THEN someone points out the dementia and you PULL the PC crap, play offended, and maybe conveniently reel back ready for the next thread.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
HOW IS IT THAT YOU TWO turn every thread not minimally related to 911s (such as this one) into a 911 discussion?
A: 911 marketing intoxication pure and simple and a 911 agenda (on a corvette forum).
Apparently no other options either.
I suggest dropping the waxed magazines and stop sniffing 911 glue....
Perpetrating the virtue signal you both like the Corvette AND 911 does not preempt nor lends a higher moral ground on CF members that like the Corvette AND don't like the 911. Especially when the later is wrapped in fakery.
Cheers
Any reader with modicum of reading comprehension can parse through all your Porsche ping pong games with the Dr. so he can pitch its fake 3.1 911 aspirational crap. You even make it "better" by suggesting the same stock 3400 pounds 911 with a little bit more than 300 Ft-lbs torque can do 2.8. LUNACY!
It's "I bought a Corvette" (IF that is even true) and the 911 is better because of unicorns and fairytales such as 3.1 and "Porsche underreports performance data. A literal copy and paste from $1 dollar waxed paper otherwise known as car magazine marketing.
THEN someone points out the dementia and you PULL the PC crap, play offended, and maybe conveniently reel back ready for the next thread.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
HOW IS IT THAT YOU TWO turn every thread not minimally related to 911s (such as this one) into a 911 discussion?
A: 911 marketing intoxication pure and simple and a 911 agenda (on a corvette forum).
Apparently no other options either.
I suggest dropping the waxed magazines and stop sniffing 911 glue....
Perpetrating the virtue signal you both like the Corvette AND 911 does not preempt nor lends a higher moral ground on CF members that like the Corvette AND don't like the 911. Especially when the later is wrapped in fakery.
Cheers
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