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Old 04-23-2019, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by vetteLT193
What? Yes it does. The platform is great. Abandoning it is what makes zero business sense. Especially considering current sales numbers. 1LT stingrays sell. If they abandon the C7 platform it will be the shortest use of a platform since the first gen. The ME will have great numbers for the track but when the vast majority of buyers just want a great, fun, fast, good looking car the FE still makes sense.

It certainly might get dumped but if I am GM I'm building FE base models and FE ZR1s until the ME takes hold, then I'm sunsetting the FE with a collector edition bang
Luckily you are not GM, get over it, the only people who wanted the C7/C8. Enigma built side by side are the ones who just bought C7’s or do t want to see their C7’s become obsolete, GM was never going to do that, time to move on.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The first post in this thread, that I made. States the C7, and last FE Corvette is done, yet this dumb thread has reverted to "maybe a super secret FE C8 is coming..." Good gosh folks.

And FWIW the early C5 mules were disguised as Camaros not C4s. They had one at the NCM.
About that...

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...d-in-a-c4.html
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by NytmereZ
Luckily you are not GM, get over it, the only people who wanted the C7/C8. Enigma built side by side are the ones who just bought C7’s or do t want to see their C7’s become obsolete, GM was never going to do that, time to move on.
Not necessarily.

I custom-ordered an '18 produced in the last week of production knowing full well there would only be an ME in a year or two. I wanted a manual convertible built in the new plant, with the new paint finish, and the latest electronic upgrades. I don't give a flip if there's a new model, and I'm excited that GM is going all in on the ME platform. That will not diminish how much I enjoy my C7.

I expect to like the new car, but will hang out for several years hoping we see a return of the manual. If not, I'll survey my options if and when it becomes time to get rid of the C7. I certainly won't be taking pot shots at the new car proclaiming how superior the C7 is because it won't be. It just happens to be a car I enjoy a great deal.

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Old 04-23-2019, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
"“We will determine what is best for the plant at the appropriate time,” said Jones when asked Wednesday about the possibility of another vehicle line being added to the Bowling Green assembly plant."

Arvin Jones, Manufacturing Manager of North American Manufacturing at General Motors.
Probably for the hybrid and all electric Corvettes that will on the way.
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Originally Posted by 1SG_Ret


Initially, I was very excited to see ME come to the Corvette. Now, after some time to think about it, I am lamenting the FE design's demise.

While I do understand GM's reasons for having only one Corvette version, I ruminate about how nice it would be to have a choice between a FE or a ME model for each model year going forward.

I often wondered if Corvette was given it's own department but sold in Chevrolet dealerships in a separate area (in the same way BMW is considering with the MINI brand). How great that would be to choose between a FE or ME Corvette when shopping.

Using Ferrari models to compare (as GM seems to use Ferrari for many design cues IMO) the buying dilemma we'd be faced with each time we buy. This is a real first world problem.. Knowing this will never happen, but still a nice "pipe-dream".

As an aside, if I had to pick one of the above, I'd opt for the 812.
Like I said before, a FE Vette can be derived from the C8 easily and cheaply. If the economy holds out with all that growing debt to service, or the commies don't come to power or some unfortunate catastrophe , a FE Vette is inevitable. A FE luxury touring car, a ME sports car and an electric car on the ME chassis can be manufactured and assembled under one roof sharing many components from $62 Gs to $200 gs. Cadillac should only focus on S class Mercedes, Bentley and RR. Buick for x over vehicles and Chevy for trucks and SUVs.
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by punky
Probably for the hybrid and all electric Corvettes that will on the way.
It would not surprise me if the 2020 C8 is a Mild Hybrid with a 48 Volt primary electrical system and an ~10 kwh battery with a combined generator/starter similar to what the 2019 Audi A7 has. I doubt that the Corvette will ever be a BEV(not in my lifetime).

AWD(small electric motor for the front wheels) might be a future variation of the Corvette(similar to the NSX).
Old 04-23-2019, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaka
Like I said before, a FE Vette can be derived from the C8 easily and cheaply
I'd love to have whatever you are smoking, if you think a FE can be easily (or even not easily) derived from a ME platform.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
You mean, a 232 day stockpile of cars even paired with discounts that bring base models under $50k?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/04/...tte-c8-reveal/

This is one thing the FE enthusiasts still haven't had a good answer for: if the FE is going to continue to sell well enough to keep it in production, why isn't it selling now?
So much for the "rare car" thing that plauges this crowd!
The FE is maxed out and styling didnt go over so well...the crowd is getting old and cheap, somethings gotta change. The ME will be badazz.
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Anything's possible if one waits long enough. Round tail lights and concealed headlights could actually come back some day.
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Originally Posted by Jeff V.
Well happy to admit when I'm wrong... I've never seen C4 mules for the C5, only the F-body ones.
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Anything's possible if one waits long enough. Round tail lights and concealed headlights could actually come back some day.
Well, I dunno if they are for sale in public yet, but I was following one of the newer Camaros near Milford the other day, they have round taillights already. Slowly easing back into it for the C8?

https://www.motor1.com/news/238655/2...o-see-changes/


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The dealer by my house has a half dozen of the updated Camaros on the lot already.

We already know the C8 has angular lights.
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We've seen the C8 production tails on the C8-R test mule. They're basically curved C7 lights with the camaro light in a light treatment.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
I'd love to have whatever you are smoking, if you think a FE can be easily (or even not easily) derived from a ME platform.
It's not smoke (nor mirrors either) or smoking of anything. The skillet system shown in the video and discussed at length by Jaga and others is a model of efficiency as the wheel base is the same on the ME as on the C7 FE. Hence it fits in the skillet. The center passenger bucket is the same in the ME as the C7. Only the front 1/3 and the rear 1/3 are different. For obvious reasons. Shaka is dead on!
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Originally Posted by ByByBMW
Over the last 20 years, a friend of mine and myself have gone from 80% of the population doesn't have the brains God gave a cucumber to 95%+ and it increases every year.
I wouldn't argue that...

Originally Posted by Foosh
Anything's possible if one waits long enough. Round tail lights and concealed headlights could actually come back some day.
So might $10 an ounce weed, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Originally Posted by Jeff V.
The dealer by my house has a half dozen of the updated Camaros on the lot already.

We already know the C8 has angular lights.
Eh, it was the first of them that I had seen. And do we really know anything about the C8, other than it exists and is being unveiled in July?
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Originally Posted by ltomn
It's not smoke (nor mirrors either) or smoking of anything. The skillet system shown in the video and discussed at length by Jaga and others is a model of efficiency as the wheel base is the same on the ME as on the C7 FE. Hence it fits in the skillet. The center passenger bucket is the same in the ME as the C7. Only the front 1/3 and the rear 1/3 are different. For obvious reasons. Shaka is dead on!
Oh wow, only the front 1/3 and rear 1/3 are different. Why didn't I think of that?

LMAO, you seem to think the "magic skillet" is some sort of silver bullet for producing anything inexpensively. However, the cost problem is in the supply chain for each, where every part costs more at lower volumes.

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Old 04-23-2019, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Well, I dunno if they are for sale in public yet, but I was following one of the newer Camaros near Milford the other day, they have round taillights already. Slowly easing back into it for the C8?

https://www.motor1.com/news/238655/2...o-see-changes/
They're on sale, but they're not selling well and it looks like development of the 7th gen Camaro is terminated. Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser was reassigned to a position in EV development where he doesn't oversee the development of any single vehicle and the rest of the Camaro engineering team have been reassigned to various other projects.

I hope what actually happened is that the brass decided a new direction is needed to make the Camaro competitive so they put together an entirely new team. Sadly, that is not how GM normally deals with uncompetitive products in small markets.
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Originally Posted by ltomn
It's not smoke (nor mirrors either) or smoking of anything. The skillet system shown in the video and discussed at length by Jaga and others is a model of efficiency as the wheel base is the same on the ME as on the C7 FE. Hence it fits in the skillet. The center passenger bucket is the same in the ME as the C7. Only the front 1/3 and the rear 1/3 are different. For obvious reasons. Shaka is dead on!
The C8's center tunnel isn't wide enough to house the C7's torque tube, so no, the "passenger bucket" is not the same in the ME as the C7. It's also obvious from the CAD drawings that the front and back sections of the chassis cannot simply be bolted onto the passenger cell in reverse positions, which honestly sounds better suited for a kit car than a modern sports car platform.






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C8.R taillights


C8 road car taillights



2018 Malibu taillights


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