IMHO mid engine C8 is gonna be like an '84 Pontiac Fiero
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Yes, the C8 will be exactly like a Fiero... and the cool thing is then you can buy a body kit and make your C8 look like a Ferrari for 1/3 of the money... then people will hate you.
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Apples and oranges. If you look at the history of the Fiero development vs the C8 they have nothing in common, not to mention the markets for these two cars is completely different. So the comparison is moot.
To me the Fiero suffered greatly from the use of off the shelf items, especially the Iron Duke engine, and the injection molded body which was still new at the time. In the case of the C8, these are not an issue.
I do believe though that a mid engine design is more difficult to engineer and could lead to more unexpected problems. And they are more difficult to work on for the technicians, which could lead to potential problems.
I don't think this is an easy task for GM. Another front engine car would have been a lot easier to do. I think all of us would admit that. Difficult tasks can lead to difficult problems. All mid engine car makers have to go through a learning curve. Is there some risk in buying in the first year? Yes. But not like it was in the 70's or 80's.
To me the Fiero suffered greatly from the use of off the shelf items, especially the Iron Duke engine, and the injection molded body which was still new at the time. In the case of the C8, these are not an issue.
I do believe though that a mid engine design is more difficult to engineer and could lead to more unexpected problems. And they are more difficult to work on for the technicians, which could lead to potential problems.
I don't think this is an easy task for GM. Another front engine car would have been a lot easier to do. I think all of us would admit that. Difficult tasks can lead to difficult problems. All mid engine car makers have to go through a learning curve. Is there some risk in buying in the first year? Yes. But not like it was in the 70's or 80's.
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Well, GM did produce almost 400K Fieros in a 5 years or so years of production (83-88). That's more than double the number of C7s sold, and more than double the number Toyota MR2s sold during the same period. That's sounds like a fairly successful car. A large number of manufacturers during that period were struggling with engine issues.
However, given what we do know, it's not going to be anything like the Fiero. That was more than 30 years ago, and technology has leapfrogged what was available then.
However, given what we do know, it's not going to be anything like the Fiero. That was more than 30 years ago, and technology has leapfrogged what was available then.
I owned a '61 Corvair and have driven Panteras. I'm thinking the C8 will be quite a bit beyond any of these relics but I'm still not convinced enough to buy one.....yet. I'm not sold on the looks of what we've seen so far and how it looks is more important to me than the performance. Keeping an open mind and enjoying my C7s....for now.
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This is a fantastic post... thank you for sharing.
If I wasn't making my C7 a trackday car I'd sell it right now and get my spot in line for a new C8. Or if I could afford both I would get my spot in line as well. I have never bought one new... never bought one when it was the "new thing" and IMO that's exciting, especially with a radical change like this.
I don't expect the car to be perfect, but that's what a warranty is for. Plus, tomorrow isn't guaranteed for anyone. If you wait 3 years for them to "work out the kinks" then that's 3 years not driving you car. Everyone is different, but instead of "keeping them forever" I think I like the idea of getting a new one every 3-4 years like some on here do. Not financially smart, but sure seems like fun.
If I wasn't making my C7 a trackday car I'd sell it right now and get my spot in line for a new C8. Or if I could afford both I would get my spot in line as well. I have never bought one new... never bought one when it was the "new thing" and IMO that's exciting, especially with a radical change like this.
I don't expect the car to be perfect, but that's what a warranty is for. Plus, tomorrow isn't guaranteed for anyone. If you wait 3 years for them to "work out the kinks" then that's 3 years not driving you car. Everyone is different, but instead of "keeping them forever" I think I like the idea of getting a new one every 3-4 years like some on here do. Not financially smart, but sure seems like fun.
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Why would a C8 be compared to a Fiero in any way. Absolutely stupid.
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Trying to predict GM's performance with mid-engined cars just because of the Fiero is hysterical at best.
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What some also seem to be conveniently forgetting is how deep into the pits GM was during that time frame. It was the late 80s that we almost lost the Corvette completely. Given the economic crash that happened and the fact that people just turtled up and stopped purchasing cars, GM was in dire need of thinning the herd. Cars had to go. The Fiero was one of them. The Corvette was about to be another one save for that small group of troublemakers led by Mr. Hill.
Trying to predict GM's performance with mid-engined cars just because of the Fiero is hysterical at best.
Trying to predict GM's performance with mid-engined cars just because of the Fiero is hysterical at best.
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Are you really going to make an argument regarding a nearly 40 year old car?! It's a shame McLaren didn't heed your warning when getting back into the street car business, because as everyone knows...the current cars are abysmal
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What some also seem to be conveniently forgetting is how deep into the pits GM was during that time frame. It was the late 80s that we almost lost the Corvette completely. Given the economic crash that happened and the fact that people just turtled up and stopped purchasing cars, GM was in dire need of thinning the herd. Cars had to go. The Fiero was one of them. The Corvette was about to be another one save for that small group of troublemakers led by Mr. Hill.
Trying to predict GM's performance with mid-engined cars just because of the Fiero is hysterical at best.
Trying to predict GM's performance with mid-engined cars just because of the Fiero is hysterical at best.
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I didn't ignore anything McLellan did for anything. But if it weren't for Hill's involvement and the behind-the-scenes sneaking around they did (as later documented in the book), we wouldn't have a Corvette today. Full stop. Dave was on his way to retirement, and there wasn't jack-all he could do about the car going away.
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So go ahead and buy a first year C8, I have no patience for the bugs it likely will have. I may be wrong but don't think so.
I want a reliable proven car at that price. With cars being built in all parts of the globe perhaps reliable is a little optimistic.
The only stupid people are those that call other posters stupid.
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