Front engine future
06-12-2019, 04:45 PM
#361
So what? GM said "last C7," not "last FE," end of story.
The FE is "dead and gone" for now. 6,8,10 years from now, who knows? GM doesn't know either.
Future decisions will be dependent upon how well the ME sells and performs. It would be absolutely stupid for GM to limit their options to reverse course or change directions in the future. That's what smart companies do, they go back to the drawing board if something doesn't work out.
The FE is "dead and gone" for now. 6,8,10 years from now, who knows? GM doesn't know either.
Future decisions will be dependent upon how well the ME sells and performs. It would be absolutely stupid for GM to limit their options to reverse course or change directions in the future. That's what smart companies do, they go back to the drawing board if something doesn't work out.
Also, the Baby Boomer generation is either getting too old to really cater to them or they are dying out. Add another 10 yrs, and few of them will be driving, unlike Gen x, Gen Y, and Gen Z.
06-12-2019, 04:45 PM
#362
A) It wouldn't really surprise me if a manual C8 showed up. I still think it won't, but it is hardly out of the realm of probability.
B) There is a big difference between having no current future plans to make a FE Corvette, and coming out and forcefully stating there will never be another.
C) The auction will bring big money regardless. People aren't bidding on this to own the last (well, OK, they are), they are bidding on it as a charitable tax write off.
Also, it is getting built to the winner's specs, so it may not even be a manual
B) There is a big difference between having no current future plans to make a FE Corvette, and coming out and forcefully stating there will never be another.
C) The auction will bring big money regardless. People aren't bidding on this to own the last (well, OK, they are), they are bidding on it as a charitable tax write off.
Also, it is getting built to the winner's specs, so it may not even be a manual
I agree with all of this, but again, if they had no future plans to make a FE car or MT, then they would be able to advertise, in good faith, as porsche did, that this is the last opportunity to own either of these 66 year traditions.
Its a big deal.
The fact that GM has not said this yet...
either means they are horrible at advertising and gaining the spotlight on this car...
or it means they can't say it because they know one or both are lies.
Its very simple folks
06-12-2019, 04:52 PM
#364
If GM wanted to go that route, then they would have taken the Kappa platform that the Solstice sat on, turned the Corvette into a brand like Porsche, used that platform as an entry level car, called it the Stingray. Have it compete against the Boxster/Cayman. Have different engine options up to a TTV6. Then use the V8 Corvette as a up market 911 Competitor. And then, this would be the year to introduce a third car, the Mid engine one. But, this idea takes, time, money, planning, etc.
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06-12-2019, 05:01 PM
#365
GM cannot be held responsible for what outside orgs like Car & Driver and Barrett-Jackson say.
Many of us are old enough to remember the "last convertible forever" in 1976. It was for a long period of time, and a GM spokesperson clearly implied gone forever. Things change. Interesting read below. As the article says, "as soon as they were gone, people started craving them again."
The Last Convertible
Many of us are old enough to remember the "last convertible forever" in 1976. It was for a long period of time, and a GM spokesperson clearly implied gone forever. Things change. Interesting read below. As the article says, "as soon as they were gone, people started craving them again."
The Last Convertible
06-12-2019, 05:02 PM
#366
Drifting
GM press release with CEO quote
“GM, GMC and Chevrolet support the Stephen Siller Tunnel to Towers Foundation and its commitment to injured and fallen military members, first responders and their families,” said Barra. “The sale of this iconic Corvette will help the foundation continue its good work, and pave the way for the Next Generation Corvette that we will introduce on July 18.”
Seems that the goal posts keep moving. Few weeks back C7 was going to continue along side the C8, now we know different. Now the last hanging chad is on how the charity auction is described. Seems like grasping for straws...is it possible a future gen is FE, sure why not.
“GM, GMC and Chevrolet support the Stephen Siller Tunnel to Towers Foundation and its commitment to injured and fallen military members, first responders and their families,” said Barra. “The sale of this iconic Corvette will help the foundation continue its good work, and pave the way for the Next Generation Corvette that we will introduce on July 18.”
Seems that the goal posts keep moving. Few weeks back C7 was going to continue along side the C8, now we know different. Now the last hanging chad is on how the charity auction is described. Seems like grasping for straws...is it possible a future gen is FE, sure why not.
06-12-2019, 05:06 PM
#367
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06-12-2019, 05:11 PM
#368
Burning Brakes
You guys should really stop feeding the trolls!
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06-12-2019, 05:19 PM
#371
06-12-2019, 05:25 PM
#372
I agree with all of this, but again, if they had no future plans to make a FE car or MT, then they would be able to advertise, in good faith, as porsche did, that this is the last opportunity to own either of these 66 year traditions.
Its a big deal.
The fact that GM has not said this yet...
either means they are horrible at advertising and gaining the spotlight on this car...
or it means they can't say it because they know one or both are lies.
Its very simple folks
Its a big deal.
The fact that GM has not said this yet...
either means they are horrible at advertising and gaining the spotlight on this car...
or it means they can't say it because they know one or both are lies.
Its very simple folks
Be it; FE/MT/ or even "proper convertible" C7s.
If and when it's deemed worth it, GM/Corvette will announce/market what they ARE going to
have/offer.
06-12-2019, 05:29 PM
#373
or NOT. #LOL
06-12-2019, 05:41 PM
#374
The last front engine c7, is a given, because c7's were only front engines.
But, If they wanted the auction to bring big money, they WOULD BE saying LAST FRONT ENGINE VETTE EVER.
and LAST MANUAL TRANSMISSION VETTE EVER.
But they are not. And you guys think it means nothing.
When reality is, it would mean GM is horrible at advertizing, and horrible at generating money for charity, and horrible at making headlines and horrible at making history...
or it means its not the last front engine, and it's not the last manual... and that's why they are NOT making those claims.
This is not brain surgery guys.
So pick your choice above and below...
is GM not smart enough to make those 2 claims after 66 years for a grand finale FE/Manual transmission Corvette auction which would fetch a million+ dollars?...
or is GM smart enough to not make those claims, because they don't want to tick off their top bidder (Hendrick) when it becomes known that neither one of those 2 claims are in fact true?
(I wouldn't want to **** him off, nor the person who has the money to outbid him)
Pick 1
There's only 2 choices here
I'm amazed so many intelligent people don't realize it all boils down to one of these 2 options.
But, If they wanted the auction to bring big money, they WOULD BE saying LAST FRONT ENGINE VETTE EVER.
and LAST MANUAL TRANSMISSION VETTE EVER.
But they are not. And you guys think it means nothing.
When reality is, it would mean GM is horrible at advertizing, and horrible at generating money for charity, and horrible at making headlines and horrible at making history...
or it means its not the last front engine, and it's not the last manual... and that's why they are NOT making those claims.
This is not brain surgery guys.
So pick your choice above and below...
is GM not smart enough to make those 2 claims after 66 years for a grand finale FE/Manual transmission Corvette auction which would fetch a million+ dollars?...
or is GM smart enough to not make those claims, because they don't want to tick off their top bidder (Hendrick) when it becomes known that neither one of those 2 claims are in fact true?
(I wouldn't want to **** him off, nor the person who has the money to outbid him)Pick 1
There's only 2 choices here
I'm amazed so many intelligent people don't realize it all boils down to one of these 2 options.
Rick Hendrick is smart enough to know the gravitas that being announced as the Top Bidder is. It's marketing of the Hendrick brand.
It would be humorous if an unknown no name were to outbid Hendrick. Or, even funnier if Hendrick had to outbid the no name bidder into 8 figures ($10Mil+)..... That, would be funny.
06-12-2019, 05:47 PM
#375
Race Director
If GM wanted to go that route, then they would have taken the Kappa platform that the Solstice sat on, turned the Corvette into a brand like Porsche, used that platform as an entry level car, called it the Stingray. Have it compete against the Boxster/Cayman. Have different engine options up to a TTV6. Then use the V8 Corvette as a up market 911 Competitor. And then, this would be the year to introduce a third car, the Mid engine one. But, this idea takes, time, money, planning, etc.
06-12-2019, 06:21 PM
#376
Name a model of car that has ever been made in 2 completely different configurations at the same time with the same nameplate-not to include the mustang fastback/hatchback and coupe or corvette coupe and FRC as those were simply the difference in roof/quarter panels and trim similar to the convertible option. And the only time I have ever seen two different generations of the same vehicle produced simultaneously was the 2004 F150 and 2004 F150 heritage, which was the previous gen f150 with a special badge,
From 1978 - 1995 Porsche offered a 928 FE V8 and a RE 911 6 cyl.
06-12-2019, 06:51 PM
#377
GM has also done it with the Acadia in the past few years.. and GM owns corvette huh?
There are plenty of others, but that's enough mental energy on my end to answer that question in 20 seconds of reading it.
How could GM **** off anyone bidding on the last C7 for charity?
Rick Hendrick is smart enough to know the gravitas that being announced as the Top Bidder is. It's marketing of the Hendrick brand.
It would be humorous if an unknown no name were to outbid Hendrick. Or, even funnier if Hendrick had to outbid the no name bidder into 8 figures ($10Mil+)..... That, would be funny.
Rick Hendrick is smart enough to know the gravitas that being announced as the Top Bidder is. It's marketing of the Hendrick brand.
It would be humorous if an unknown no name were to outbid Hendrick. Or, even funnier if Hendrick had to outbid the no name bidder into 8 figures ($10Mil+)..... That, would be funny.
Regardless whether the item's auction is for charity or not, it still has a market value.
If i say here is a glass mug for charity, or here is the first mclaren f1 ever built for charity, each are going to have different auction bid values.
The seller still needs to describe the item up for auction, and do so accurately. GM would be foolish not to make a very big deal that this is the last true/exclusive FE corvette ever to be sold (there may be combination platforms in the future that have engines up front and the rear, but never again a solo front engine configuration)
That is a HUGE value gain for the car being auctioned IF it is indeed true. GM should be shouting it from the rooftops... but so far, they have not said this.
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06-12-2019, 07:03 PM
#378
vw tiguan did it in 2018 i believe was the year... kept their old model, and also sold the new model. The old model was called the "classic" or "limited" if I remember correctly.
GM has also done it with the Acadia in the past few years.. and GM owns corvette huh?
There are plenty of others, but that's enough mental energy on my end to answer that question in 20 seconds of reading it.
GM has also done it with the Acadia in the past few years.. and GM owns corvette huh?
There are plenty of others, but that's enough mental energy on my end to answer that question in 20 seconds of reading it.
06-12-2019, 07:06 PM
#379
Or instead, he hears "last FE vette ever, a 66 year tradition" and he says, "oh wow, i should try to add that to my collection, that's a rare car.."
Last c7 means nothing. Last front engine vette ever, means everything.
You say it does not matter, I highly disagree with you. The price tag the car sells for will be drastically different if GM refuses to solidly confirm, well in advance, that it is the LAST FE EVER vs if they make a huge deal out of it in the media and put together a little short documentary film about the front engine vettes and their legacy to the automotive world.
once again, the difference between GM and Porsche if GM fails to make a huge deal out of this.
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06-12-2019, 07:36 PM
#380
im willing to let the c7 go, if they kill it they kill it, but I'm saying they should be advertising the last front engine vette EVER, its a big deal. Not everyone on planet earth is corvette savvy like we all are, there could be a billionaire in France that hears "last c7... who cares, I hate that car"
Or instead, he hears "last FE vette ever, a 66 year tradition" and he says, "oh wow, i should try to add that to my collection, that's a rare car.."
Last c7 means nothing. Last front engine vette ever, means everything.
You say it does not matter, I highly disagree with you. The price tag the car sells for will be drastically different if GM refuses to solidly confirm, well in advance, that it is the LAST FE EVER vs if they make a huge deal out of it in the media and put together a little short documentary film about the front engine vettes and their legacy to the automotive world.
once again, the difference between GM and Porsche if GM fails to make a huge deal out of this.
Or instead, he hears "last FE vette ever, a 66 year tradition" and he says, "oh wow, i should try to add that to my collection, that's a rare car.."
Last c7 means nothing. Last front engine vette ever, means everything.
You say it does not matter, I highly disagree with you. The price tag the car sells for will be drastically different if GM refuses to solidly confirm, well in advance, that it is the LAST FE EVER vs if they make a huge deal out of it in the media and put together a little short documentary film about the front engine vettes and their legacy to the automotive world.
once again, the difference between GM and Porsche if GM fails to make a huge deal out of this.
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