Which other US automaker will the ME C8 join?
#42
Team Owner
#43
I regard the Kogod School of Business (American University, Washington DC) "Made in America Index" as the best indicator of the percentage of a vehicle's value that contributes to the U.S. economy. It goes beyond the American Automotive Labeling Act to include where the profit goes, where the R&D is done, etc. Here's the 2018 Made in America Auto Index.
It's a minor quibble, but only the Corvette A/T is #1. The MT falls to #9, which show how much impact a single component can have.
#44
..ALL profits beyond expenses go to Japan. That's not America! Globalists, both foreign and domestic, love to export as much of the U.S. Economy as they can. They usually have no skin in-the-game. Think foreign lobbyists and their ilk. People that gain their livelihoods from the Government or the education system, and not in the private sector, are usually down with exporting American jobs. Sad!
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#45
You got the whack job emoji right to characterize your post.
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#46
Race Director
You can talk that game all day long.....but until Honda relocates their global corporate headquarters to the United States? They're still just a parasite on America.
..ALL profits beyond expenses go to Japan. That's not America! Globalists, both foreign and domestic, love to export as much of the U.S. Economy as they can. They usually have no skin in-the-game. Think foreign lobbyists and their ilk. People that gain their livelihoods from the Government or the education system, and not in the private sector, are usually down with exporting American jobs. Sad!
..ALL profits beyond expenses go to Japan. That's not America! Globalists, both foreign and domestic, love to export as much of the U.S. Economy as they can. They usually have no skin in-the-game. Think foreign lobbyists and their ilk. People that gain their livelihoods from the Government or the education system, and not in the private sector, are usually down with exporting American jobs. Sad!
If Honda USA was an American company then we would still have the jobs from sales, manufacturing, etc providing income to thousands but at the end of the day the billions in capital at is currently transferred to Japan would remain here in the USA.
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#47
Racer
Foreign car companies that assemble vehicles in America most often do so with "Local Parts" which are other transplanted foreign companies that set up American shell companies - Denso America, etc.
I read that almost $9 out of $11from such situations go back to the home country.
This has been a longstanding PR campaign designed to make us believe that this is good for America - not.
A Ford or GM assembled in Mexico or Canada contributes far more $ to the US economy than a Honda assemble in Ohio.
I read that almost $9 out of $11from such situations go back to the home country.
This has been a longstanding PR campaign designed to make us believe that this is good for America - not.
A Ford or GM assembled in Mexico or Canada contributes far more $ to the US economy than a Honda assemble in Ohio.
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#48
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Most of the high value expenses such as engineering and R&D are done abroad.
The lowest value added $ are here.
While I'm happy that the $40K/yr assembler is employed in Marysville, I would rather have the tax $ and shopping power of the hundreds of $125K/yr engineers behind every final assembler.
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#49
An alternative policy would be patently stupid, and I'm not referring to tariffs. If it's built here, it's not subject to tariffs, and there are all kinds of great reasons to have them built here.
And BTW, I believe all "foreign" US manufacturers have registered as US entities, such as BMW of N. America, and so on with the rest.
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#51
Race Director
Brilliant, so let's discourage all foreign car companies from building factories in the US unless they become exclusively US companies, whatever that definition means. Good luck with that policy. Then the EU and China can do the same to US companies. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. The US economy is far better off under current policy and encouraging "foreign" manufacturers to build here, as opposed to importing them from foreign factories.
An alternative policy would be patently stupid, and I'm not referring to tariffs. If it's built here, it's not subject to tariffs, and there are all kinds of great reasons to have them built here.
And BTW, I believe all "foreign" US manufacturers have registered as US entities, such as BMW of N. America, and so on with the rest.
An alternative policy would be patently stupid, and I'm not referring to tariffs. If it's built here, it's not subject to tariffs, and there are all kinds of great reasons to have them built here.
And BTW, I believe all "foreign" US manufacturers have registered as US entities, such as BMW of N. America, and so on with the rest.
It would be best to encourage US manufacturing to develop the high quality products that foreign manufacturers cannot compete with and that the rest of the world will want.
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#52
Good luck with that too. It's foreign competition that caused US manufacturers to up their game enough to survive. They're not exactly all the way there yet.
When US manufacturers had the market all to themselves, it didn't go nearly as well for either consumers or the US economy. Yes, money is still going off-shore, but a hell of a lot more of it is staying in this country as opposed to the time when all foreign cars were imports. We're much better off today in all respects.
When US manufacturers had the market all to themselves, it didn't go nearly as well for either consumers or the US economy. Yes, money is still going off-shore, but a hell of a lot more of it is staying in this country as opposed to the time when all foreign cars were imports. We're much better off today in all respects.
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#53
Burning Brakes
...who said the ME is going to be mass produced? I haven't heard that anywhere I've actually read the opposite that volume is going to be 10k and it's going to be sold GLOBALLY.
10k global volume IMO. Will pass emissions in all countrys. 4.2-4L 169k
don't be shocked on the reveal date..
10k global volume IMO. Will pass emissions in all countrys. 4.2-4L 169k
don't be shocked on the reveal date..
#54
He's been doing these occasional drive-by's for months steadfastly maintaining the C8 would be a low-volume, six-figure car. Most folks have concluded he's just trolling to generate arguments and have been ignoring him.
#55
Le Mans Master
FCA isn't or the Viper would have stayed in.production. They also have Ferrari. Ford has the GT. Since the domestics with foreign names don't count. no major corporations. Fords will retain demand and appreciate and GM will flood the market and depreciate. GM has not been successful at building an exclusive model that did depreciation like a rock once the initial frenzy past.
#56
Be that as it may, GM has a more successful business model with the Corvette. I don't think any one has ever accused the Ford GT of being either profitable or a permanent presence.
Ferrari is a bit unique and now a much higher volume producer than they used to be (about 8K units annually worldwide) at high prices. They get away with it because of their long and glorious racing history, but they have also needed financial rescues at many times in their past.
Ferrari is a bit unique and now a much higher volume producer than they used to be (about 8K units annually worldwide) at high prices. They get away with it because of their long and glorious racing history, but they have also needed financial rescues at many times in their past.
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You can talk that game all day long.....but until Honda relocates their global corporate headquarters to the United States? They're still just a parasite on America.
..ALL profits beyond expenses go to Japan. That's not America! Globalists, both foreign and domestic, love to export as much of the U.S. Economy as they can. They usually have no skin in-the-game. Think foreign lobbyists and their ilk. People that gain their livelihoods from the Government or the education system, and not in the private sector, are usually down with exporting American jobs. Sad!
..ALL profits beyond expenses go to Japan. That's not America! Globalists, both foreign and domestic, love to export as much of the U.S. Economy as they can. They usually have no skin in-the-game. Think foreign lobbyists and their ilk. People that gain their livelihoods from the Government or the education system, and not in the private sector, are usually down with exporting American jobs. Sad!
And folks unable to see the forest for the trees are worried about where a $450M profit is going, with a good chunk of that getting reinvested in US operations. Get some perspective. That's some parasite sinking billions and billions into the US economy with all that money being spent in the US.
Multiply that enormous Honda contribution by the many other "foreign" manufacturers with a large US manufacturing presence like BMW, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, MB, Nissan, Subaru, Volvo, and VW, and we're talking heavy US economic stimulus.
I suppose MAGA Skid would propose that all these "parasites" should take all those billions spent in the US back home.
(link below).
http://www.remi.com/wp-content/uploa...onda-study.pdf
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#58
Melting Slicks
I regard the Kogod School of Business (American University, Washington DC) "Made in America Index" as the best indicator of the percentage of a vehicle's value that contributes to the U.S. economy. It goes beyond the American Automotive Labeling Act to include where the profit goes, where the R&D is done, etc. Here's the 2018 Made in America Auto Index.