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Old 06-26-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by firstvettesoon View Post
I think both Tadge and Lutz has said that they "had" to go to ME to improve performance because the FE platform had reached its limit with the ZR1.
They "could not" eek out any more performance with the FE. C7 ZR! is the pinnacle of Corvette FE design. The only way to compete with higher end Ferrari, Lambo, Mclaren head to head is to go ME ITO.


^^^ This, people......this right here!

Tadge said they have done all they can do with the current platform.


Also, my professional input (being a radio disc jockey for 41 years)....Jim was a GM test driver, not a spokesperson. So when you put a microphone in front of him, he might word things in a way that he retracts later (or restates). THAT IS OK...look at it as a clarification.

Realize who the man is, what he does for a living and the context of his statements.
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:44 PM
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This is my very humble opinion, not the gospel.....

I feel like one of the (countless) driving factors for going ME is improving the average age of the owner. With the current program the age of the owner isn't improving much. Take a look at the exotic car owners, and you will see MANY MANY younger owners. With the ME configuration this will help bring them into the Corvette world. The car will have an exotic appearance, exotic materials, and equal or better performance. While bringing a much lower price.
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Thanks for the help. I'm not paying close enough attention to my typing, I'm at the shop getting my break pads replaced.
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Originally Posted by RedMercy View Post
Than*
The old ď grammar checker ď provocation trick!...


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Not really a valid comparison other than that they are both "sports cars" but OK. It is highly unlikely that customers would cross shop the 2 cars as they are vastly different. A far more valid comparison would be a 2020 6th Gen Camaro ZL-1 LE vs 2020 GT500. Now THAT is a far more valid comparison one multiple accounts.
I cross shop both.
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Originally Posted by Randy Miller View Post
Did you feel the same way about the last generation of GT500? It would run circles around the base Corvette of its time.
No it wouldn't. The GT100 was 7 seconds slower in the hands of pro drivers around the VIR full course, and struggled to outdo it even in a straight line. The go-to video features the GT100 unable to catch a base non-Z51 C7 until 140mph.
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Originally Posted by firstvettesoon View Post
The old ď grammar checker ď provocation trick!...

Sorry, I would have responded earlier, I was in the Cone of Silence....
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:59 PM
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"Each Corvette is better than the last"....

Let's put "better" in air quotes here. That's true, by certain parameters, but there is also the perspective of overall lifespan of the platform. When you have something that is iconic, like Corvette...newer isn't necessarily better, to a lot of folks. I can find HOARDS of people who say a 991 Porsche GT3 is definitely NOT better than a 993 RS Clubsport.

To me, while I acknowledge the C7 CHASSIS is superior to C5/C6, I do NOT think that C7 generation matched the C6Z07 in terms of purity/capability/legacy. The C7GrandSport was HEAVILY admired for this reason, because C7Z06 left something behind as a compromise; but if you ask which I'd rather own...definitely a C6Z07 despite the fact I know the C7GS and C7Z check certain boxes better.

I know the C8 will certainly be better in many ways, but that doesn't mean it won't leave some things behind. A Corvette will always be a series of calculated compromises...and those compromises lie with the current design team/engineering/financial team, etc. Fact is...we don't have a Zora at the helm...we have some eager guys mixed in but....we'll see.

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^^^^
True, we don't have a Zora, but we do have a Tadge, who has successfully accomplished something that Zora never could.
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Originally Posted by Adam Boca View Post
This is my very humble opinion, not the gospel.....

I feel like one of the (countless) driving factors for going ME is improving the average age of the owner. With the current program the age of the owner isn't improving much. Take a look at the exotic car owners, and you will see MANY MANY younger owners. With the ME configuration this will help bring them into the Corvette world. The car will have an exotic appearance, exotic materials, and equal or better performance. While bringing a much lower price.
How much of this is a factor of price and brand positioning? $60ish thousand dollars is too much for your average 20-30 year old. Doesn't matter where the engine is placed.

The few people in that age range who do have disposable income seem to have a lot more of it, and those folks want exclusivity and brand cachet. Again, you're not going to win that battle with a Chevrolet. Doesn't matter if it's FE, ME, electric, or hybrid.

About the only way you'd win that fight is if the car was more mod-friendly than the exotics, but GM has already indicated they're ready to slam the door on that market via their ECU lockouts.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
C8 and GT500 will cost about the same so obviously they will be compared.
I HIGHLY doubt the GT500 will be in the 60ís.
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Originally Posted by Michael A View Post
Just because the Grand Sport beat these other cars on one track, does not mean it applies to all tracks.

Also there is more to good performance dynamics than just beating other cars at a track. I've always said, if you throw enough money at anything, you can make it go fast. It doesn't mean it's the optimum architecture or body style.
As someone who use to race in SCCA events several decades ago, I couldn't agree more with both of your points. Just because my car is faster than yours at Watkins Glen does not mean that it will be faster at Sebring or Lime Rock. The money factor is what got me out of racing. Lots of wealthy guys were throwing their virtually limitless finances into their race cars, and a financially challenged guy like me just couldn't compete.
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Originally Posted by jimmyb View Post
I'll ask you ONE MORE TIME:
Please provide the link stating the LT2 is rated at 500HP.
Not your opinion...not a magazine article...not another person on this forum.
A GM LINK STATING THE C8's BASE ENGINE (thought to be called the LT2) IS 500 HORSEPOWER
If you can't provide it, which I know you can't, all your nonsensical rants are blown up in the beginning, since you base ALL your prognostications that this car/that car are faster then base C8 because the C8 only has 500 HP, which YOU DON'T KNOW. Of course, you don't know the weight either...
Oh right, my bad. The C8 will launch with a NA small block producing 1000 hp! There, you happy now?
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Oh right, my bad. The C8 will launch with a NA small block producing 1000 hp! There, you happy now?
Are you happy*
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AndÖ..Relative to the golf clubs, really, thatís just a personal preference for Jim Mero. Itís no different than saying I prefer a Silverado over a Colorado because it has better utility. It was not a dig on the C8, it was simply a statement of what I desire in a sports car for me. Nothing more, nothing less.

As I have said before....when spending a week of quality time with Dave Mcllelan...and his comments on the informal but REASONABLE 'unspoken RULE' at Chevy/corvette about the ability to carry two golf bags. Frankly I don't care about golf-bags, but I do care ENOUGH about lack of space to make this my PURCHASING RULE....if you can't have enough cubic feet to carry the EQUIVALENT of two golf bags....I don't want it!

It ends up being a TOY instead of a vehicle.

'don't need no one-trick pony'

The unlamented 350Z had the same problem....UTILITY is an afterthought.

I will reserve my judgement until I see one.

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^^^ It could have a truck bed or only a pencil holder. I don’t care, as long as it is the best performing vehicle it can be.

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It could have a truck bed or only a pencil holder. I donít care, as long as it is the best performing vehicle it can be.
Sounds like you should be in the market for an Ariel Atom instead of a Corvette.
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So what's the message? Buy a C7 GS and wait for the C8 GS before jumping generations?
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Sounds like you should be in the market for an Ariel Atom instead of a Corvette.
It has to have a roof.
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Originally Posted by RedMercy View Post
Thats one of the stupidest things Iíve read in a while. ME is the superior design for a sports car. Improvements could have come in the form of AWD and such. Why not do it along side the superior ME design? HP doesnít solve all the problems. It is the easiest way to go faster, until it isnít. You need a whole lot more than HP to win a race. I suggest you go back to the drawing board and re-study engineering. If you are a engineer, which I doubt based on what you just said.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I stand behind my statement around GM's recent approach; if you can't see my point, you might be a fanboi, blind to common sense.

I'd rather see a focused effort on weight reduction vs. bolting on heavy blower hardware, 8 radiators to cool it and a tire-grinding 3,700 lbs of curb weight..

Even though I can admire a Veyron Super Sport (fast as hell but 4,050 lbs), I would still prefer my car and its design philosophy (C6 ZO7). Simply two different schools of thought on how to make a fast car.

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