After climbing in the C8...
Racer
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What a bunch of dribble..
Let's go look at a car that I am not gonna buy and then write a bunch of negative crap to make yourself feel better about wasting your time going to look at it..
I think I am gonna run down to the Ford dealership and go sit in a Mustang that I know I am not gonna buy and write a bunch of crap in the Ford Mustang Forum that I dont like.
Let's go look at a car that I am not gonna buy and then write a bunch of negative crap to make yourself feel better about wasting your time going to look at it..
I think I am gonna run down to the Ford dealership and go sit in a Mustang that I know I am not gonna buy and write a bunch of crap in the Ford Mustang Forum that I dont like.
Instructor
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What a bunch of dribble..
Let's go look at a car that I am not gonna buy and then write a bunch of negative crap to make yourself feel better about wasting your time going to look at it..
I think I am gonna run down to the Ford dealership and go sit in a Mustang that I know I am not gonna buy and write a bunch of crap in the Ford Mustang Forum that I dont like.
Let's go look at a car that I am not gonna buy and then write a bunch of negative crap to make yourself feel better about wasting your time going to look at it..
I think I am gonna run down to the Ford dealership and go sit in a Mustang that I know I am not gonna buy and write a bunch of crap in the Ford Mustang Forum that I dont like.
3rd Gear
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so passionate about the ergonomics for someone that seems to not be in the market. I think you bring up some points that are interesting but I would argue that not many are buying this car for Lexus creature comforts. My list is short; Is it more capable than the C7 and for that matter my 2013 GTR?. I have one on order because I believe the answer is a resounding YES. Cheers...
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I got to see one in person this week, and sit in both seats, poke around the trunks, and hear it. I'm not in the market for a C8, but I'm always interested in how a new car is designed. Ergonomics are very important to me - as what we see and touch every day heavily shapes our enjoyment of the vehicle. As many of you have not yet been in a C8 I thought I would share my notes as a C7 owner hypothetically transitioning to a C8.
The C8 looks much better in person, particularly in blue. The front end is still a bit short, the windshield a bit vertical and too far forward. But the flanks and rear end looks great - much lower and leaner than it appears on a screen. However the chrome stingray on the rear deck looks like a cheap tramp stamp and needs to be deleted.
Rather than list all the things that a Corvette owner would like about the car - things we hear from GM, I will comment on changes that I did not like, or seem to be a step backwards from the C7. The seating positions are very good, and all versions of the seats are comfortable. The new comp seats are slightly tighter in the thighs than the C7 comp seats. Visibility is pretty good, except of course to the rear quarters. The mirror is actually a screen for the backup camera, so you better like to have faith in technology. The C8 does add backup sensors for auditory input, which I wish the C7 had.
The C8 phone dock in the waterfall area is stupidly located. It's both hard to reach and easy to bump.
There is NO place for a purse! One of the most lacking elements of the C8 is the complete, total, lack of trunk access from the cabin. This may seem trivial at first glance, but it's something I use daily in my C7 and would be severely missed - maybe even a deal breaker.
And speaking of deal breakers...the two trunks thing kills the car for me. Yes, you can fit two sets of clubs in the rear trunk - barely...and only if they are compact bags. A single full size bag would fill the trunk. In the C7 you could put both compact bags in the trunk AND then put the roof in over them. The comparative lack of single-item footprint storage irritates me too, there are just SO many more luggage/storage options with the C7 that the C8's practicality suffers a lot by comparison.
The center stack switch layout is idiotic. It looks cool in pictures, but is not easy to read quickly (like you have to when driving) so it's much harder to ID switches compared to if they were more conventionally located. In fact the entire center dash layout is bad. Everything is angled towards the driver, which is of slight advantage for the driver but eliminates the practicality of the passenger accessing controls easily. And the cupholders are located so the driver's arm will hit anything put in them and the passenger will reach them only awkwardly - and then spill all over the switches that they have to lift a cup up-and-over.
Anyone else notice there are no grab handles for the passenger? That one on the door's armrest isn't one, because it's too shallow for a full grip. Under 1.00+Gs it won't do anything. A strange omission.
And speaking of the passenger armrest...you can not see the door lock indicator/switch AT ALL when you are seated because the armrest upholstery obscures it. Again...easily remedied with a little thought and pre-production testing. I don't know how they let some of these ergonomic lapses make it to production.
Interior storage is very slim. The door pockets are shallower than the C7, the center console storage is similar or slightly smaller, as is the glove box. A bit of a step backwards from the C7. A massive leap off a cliff if you factor in the practicality of the C7's trunk accessibility.
I was a fan of the flat bottomed C7 wheel until I ran a tight autoX course and had to do some drift correction. I am now completely opposed to non-round steering wheels because it is imperative that the wheel's perimeter be consistently located by touch during emergency maneuvering. I don't care how cool it looks in pictures, the C8's wheel is fail.
No manual option. That's a deal breaker for me, and for others. And not for other others. A topic for many other threads, just a quick mention here as a lack of an option is a step backwards from the previous generation.
Overall an attractive, if not exotic, car that has an astounding performance-per-dollar ratio but numerous practical irritations that could have been designed more intelligently for no additional cost.
The C8 looks much better in person, particularly in blue. The front end is still a bit short, the windshield a bit vertical and too far forward. But the flanks and rear end looks great - much lower and leaner than it appears on a screen. However the chrome stingray on the rear deck looks like a cheap tramp stamp and needs to be deleted.
Rather than list all the things that a Corvette owner would like about the car - things we hear from GM, I will comment on changes that I did not like, or seem to be a step backwards from the C7. The seating positions are very good, and all versions of the seats are comfortable. The new comp seats are slightly tighter in the thighs than the C7 comp seats. Visibility is pretty good, except of course to the rear quarters. The mirror is actually a screen for the backup camera, so you better like to have faith in technology. The C8 does add backup sensors for auditory input, which I wish the C7 had.
The C8 phone dock in the waterfall area is stupidly located. It's both hard to reach and easy to bump.
There is NO place for a purse! One of the most lacking elements of the C8 is the complete, total, lack of trunk access from the cabin. This may seem trivial at first glance, but it's something I use daily in my C7 and would be severely missed - maybe even a deal breaker.
And speaking of deal breakers...the two trunks thing kills the car for me. Yes, you can fit two sets of clubs in the rear trunk - barely...and only if they are compact bags. A single full size bag would fill the trunk. In the C7 you could put both compact bags in the trunk AND then put the roof in over them. The comparative lack of single-item footprint storage irritates me too, there are just SO many more luggage/storage options with the C7 that the C8's practicality suffers a lot by comparison.
The center stack switch layout is idiotic. It looks cool in pictures, but is not easy to read quickly (like you have to when driving) so it's much harder to ID switches compared to if they were more conventionally located. In fact the entire center dash layout is bad. Everything is angled towards the driver, which is of slight advantage for the driver but eliminates the practicality of the passenger accessing controls easily. And the cupholders are located so the driver's arm will hit anything put in them and the passenger will reach them only awkwardly - and then spill all over the switches that they have to lift a cup up-and-over.
Anyone else notice there are no grab handles for the passenger? That one on the door's armrest isn't one, because it's too shallow for a full grip. Under 1.00+Gs it won't do anything. A strange omission.
And speaking of the passenger armrest...you can not see the door lock indicator/switch AT ALL when you are seated because the armrest upholstery obscures it. Again...easily remedied with a little thought and pre-production testing. I don't know how they let some of these ergonomic lapses make it to production.
Interior storage is very slim. The door pockets are shallower than the C7, the center console storage is similar or slightly smaller, as is the glove box. A bit of a step backwards from the C7. A massive leap off a cliff if you factor in the practicality of the C7's trunk accessibility.
I was a fan of the flat bottomed C7 wheel until I ran a tight autoX course and had to do some drift correction. I am now completely opposed to non-round steering wheels because it is imperative that the wheel's perimeter be consistently located by touch during emergency maneuvering. I don't care how cool it looks in pictures, the C8's wheel is fail.
No manual option. That's a deal breaker for me, and for others. And not for other others. A topic for many other threads, just a quick mention here as a lack of an option is a step backwards from the previous generation.
Overall an attractive, if not exotic, car that has an astounding performance-per-dollar ratio but numerous practical irritations that could have been designed more intelligently for no additional cost.
My wife usually rides in the passenger seat while I drive. She puts her purse on the floor. Doesn't bother her. When she drives alone, she puts her purse on the passenger seat. When she drives with me, her purse goes on the floor of my seat. Problems solved. Everything else (sans cell phone) goes in the trunk or frunk.
I know, to each his own,
Luc
Last edited by lucative; Aug 7, 2019 at 07:46 PM.
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Great assessment OP. 
The biggest downside to me is the lack of interior accessible storage. I store things in my C7’s hatch that are easy to reach from the seats without having to get out the car and open the trunk, e.g., the windshield sun shade, jacket, etc. That is a big inconvenience.
Overall the C8 is great but there are things that are a step backwards from the C7 as the OP thoughtfully described. People who bash the OP for addressing such things simply cannot accept any C8 criticism as evidenced in other threads. I’m sure someone will respond with something unhelpful or unfriendly like “then don’t buy it”.
The biggest downside to me is the lack of interior accessible storage. I store things in my C7’s hatch that are easy to reach from the seats without having to get out the car and open the trunk, e.g., the windshield sun shade, jacket, etc. That is a big inconvenience.
Overall the C8 is great but there are things that are a step backwards from the C7 as the OP thoughtfully described. People who bash the OP for addressing such things simply cannot accept any C8 criticism as evidenced in other threads. I’m sure someone will respond with something unhelpful or unfriendly like “then don’t buy it”.
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Thank you for your observations OP. Can you comment on the amount of space in the pedal box? Pictures appear to have similar room to a 458, which was tight to me.
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Visibility is pretty good, except of course to the rear quarters. The mirror is actually a screen for the backup camera, so you better like to have faith in technology. The C8 does add backup sensors for auditory input, which I wish the C7 had.
The C8 phone dock in the waterfall area is stupidly located. It's both hard to reach and easy to bump.
There is NO place for a purse! One of the most lacking elements of the C8 is the complete, total, lack of trunk access from the cabin. This may seem trivial at first glance, but it's something I use daily in my C7 and would be severely missed - maybe even a deal breaker.
And speaking of deal breakers...the two trunks thing kills the car for me. Yes, you can fit two sets of clubs in the rear trunk - barely...and only if they are compact bags. A single full size bag would fill the trunk. In the C7 you could put both compact bags in the trunk AND then put the roof in over them. The comparative lack of single-item footprint storage irritates me too, there are just SO many more luggage/storage options with the C7 that the C8's practicality suffers a lot by comparison.
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And speaking of the passenger armrest...you can not see the door lock indicator/switch AT ALL when you are seated because the armrest upholstery obscures it. Again...easily remedied with a little thought and pre-production testing. I don't know how they let some of these ergonomic lapses make it to production.
Interior storage is very slim. The door pockets are shallower than the C7, the center console storage is similar or slightly smaller, as is the glove box. A bit of a step backwards from the C7. A massive leap off a cliff if you factor in the practicality of the C7's trunk accessibility.
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Overall an attractive, if not exotic, car that has an astounding performance-per-dollar ratio but numerous practical irritations that could have been designed more intelligently for no additional cost.
Visibility is pretty good, except of course to the rear quarters. The mirror is actually a screen for the backup camera, so you better like to have faith in technology. The C8 does add backup sensors for auditory input, which I wish the C7 had.
The C8 phone dock in the waterfall area is stupidly located. It's both hard to reach and easy to bump.
There is NO place for a purse! One of the most lacking elements of the C8 is the complete, total, lack of trunk access from the cabin. This may seem trivial at first glance, but it's something I use daily in my C7 and would be severely missed - maybe even a deal breaker.
And speaking of deal breakers...the two trunks thing kills the car for me. Yes, you can fit two sets of clubs in the rear trunk - barely...and only if they are compact bags. A single full size bag would fill the trunk. In the C7 you could put both compact bags in the trunk AND then put the roof in over them. The comparative lack of single-item footprint storage irritates me too, there are just SO many more luggage/storage options with the C7 that the C8's practicality suffers a lot by comparison.
.........
And speaking of the passenger armrest...you can not see the door lock indicator/switch AT ALL when you are seated because the armrest upholstery obscures it. Again...easily remedied with a little thought and pre-production testing. I don't know how they let some of these ergonomic lapses make it to production.
Interior storage is very slim. The door pockets are shallower than the C7, the center console storage is similar or slightly smaller, as is the glove box. A bit of a step backwards from the C7. A massive leap off a cliff if you factor in the practicality of the C7's trunk accessibility.
.....
Overall an attractive, if not exotic, car that has an astounding performance-per-dollar ratio but numerous practical irritations that could have been designed more intelligently for no additional cost.
People asked for and got a mid-rear engined car, with all its limitations. Having had a couple (Fiero and an Elise) I am familiar with them. The Corvette is luxurious and worlds ahead from the little I have seen.
Now to respond. The rear view mirror is a rear view mirror unless you want it to be a rear view display... your choice. Comment is moot.
The phone charger placement is well thought out. One should not be looking at their phone while driving. Where it is will make it less tempting. One can still navigate or make calls with it through CarPlay or the Android equivalent.
Wife’s purse is on floor or empty seat no problem. Under the seat is not an option, one does not put an Hermes under the seat to be scratched.
As to the storage, you are right it is disappointing that I won’t l be able to put a largish tube tv in the back like I did with my C4. I will live with it as we have flat screens now.
Last edited by Racer X; Aug 8, 2019 at 11:18 AM.
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What a bunch of dribble..
Let's go look at a car that I am not gonna buy and then write a bunch of negative crap to make yourself feel better about wasting your time going to look at it..
I think I am gonna run down to the Ford dealership and go sit in a Mustang that I know I am not gonna buy and write a bunch of crap in the Ford Mustang Forum that I dont like.
Let's go look at a car that I am not gonna buy and then write a bunch of negative crap to make yourself feel better about wasting your time going to look at it..
I think I am gonna run down to the Ford dealership and go sit in a Mustang that I know I am not gonna buy and write a bunch of crap in the Ford Mustang Forum that I dont like.
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My concern is my ability to get in and out of a C8. I’m 6’3”,73 and about 250#. Probably 75 by the time I get one. Getting in and out of my C7 was a science project but oh so comfortable once in.
Last edited by rramjet; Aug 7, 2019 at 11:18 PM.
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Thank you for you comments.
people asked for and got a mid-rear engined car, with all its limitations. Having had a couple (Fiero and an Elise) I am familiar with the. The Corvette is luxurious and worlds ahead from the little I have seen.
Now to respond. The rear view mirror is a rear view mirror unless you want it to be a rear view display... your choice. Comment is moot.
The phone charger placement is well thought out. One should not be looking at their phone while driving. Where it is will make less tempting. One can still navigate or make calls with it thru CarPlay or the Android equivalent.
Wife’s purse is on floor or empty seat no problem. Under the seat is not an option, one does not put an Hermes under the seat to be scrat
As to the strorage rage you are right it is disappointing that I will be able to put a largish tube tv �� in the back like I did with my C4. I will live with it as we have flat screens now.
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people asked for and got a mid-rear engined car, with all its limitations. Having had a couple (Fiero and an Elise) I am familiar with the. The Corvette is luxurious and worlds ahead from the little I have seen.
Now to respond. The rear view mirror is a rear view mirror unless you want it to be a rear view display... your choice. Comment is moot.
The phone charger placement is well thought out. One should not be looking at their phone while driving. Where it is will make less tempting. One can still navigate or make calls with it thru CarPlay or the Android equivalent.
Wife’s purse is on floor or empty seat no problem. Under the seat is not an option, one does not put an Hermes under the seat to be scrat
As to the strorage rage you are right it is disappointing that I will be able to put a largish tube tv �� in the back like I did with my C4. I will live with it as we have flat screens now.
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From everything that I read from taller people you will be very uncomfortable in the C8 at 6"3 sadly.
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Actually love the interior the best Corvette interior I have ever laid my eyes on by far.
The outside is the deal killer for me so far.. hoping it gets better for the Z06
We are all passionate about Corvette. This is a place to applaud or critique the car. What I don't get is if you say anything negative about this car inside outside underneath or beyond you get attacked as opposed to having a civilized conversation about it.
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After owning 3 c7’s and taking delivery of my first one in September ‘13 all the members of my former corvette club ragged on the c7 and called it a Camaro while professing their love of the c6. Now the same people appear to all own c7’s and are crying a new lament to justify what they drive. Why not just appreciate change and embrace what is new.......that’s the difference between a Ferrari owner and the Corvette owner who just owns the car to sit in a parking lot to be judge on how clean it is! Drive it!!
enjoy!
enjoy!
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Funny how people's opinions vary so greatly...
Actually love the interior the best Corvette interior I have ever laid my eyes on by far.
The outside is the deal killer for me so far.. hoping it gets better for the Z06
We are all passionate about Corvette. This is a place to applaud or critique the car. What I don't get is if you say anything negative about this car inside outside underneath or beyond you get attacked as opposed to having a civilized conversation about it.
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Actually love the interior the best Corvette interior I have ever laid my eyes on by far.
The outside is the deal killer for me so far.. hoping it gets better for the Z06
We are all passionate about Corvette. This is a place to applaud or critique the car. What I don't get is if you say anything negative about this car inside outside underneath or beyond you get attacked as opposed to having a civilized conversation about it.
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It still cracks me up you guys mention the passenger. I'm paying 60k plus for a sport car... Again a SPORTS CAR I'm not buying a SUV or compact car or something for plush comfort or a minivan to haul people around. So I don't give a crap about the passenger they can sit in the seat and STFU and enjoy the ride. just like the older Supra I love this layout because it's geared towards the driver.
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