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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:09 AM
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I'm less concerned with what PCA says because, well: PCA. Wrong org. ;-) With that out of the way, again we have to use some common sense here. With the top up, the car has all of the same roll-over protection in place as the coupe. So if PCA disallowed the C8 'vert, they'd have to also disallow the coupe. And they'd only do that because they don't want to see yet another Corvette embarassing their customer base. ;-)
Technically the C8 coupe has a metal b-pillar roll bar that the vert doesn't have... that's the main difference here.
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The blue part...

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:12 AM
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But Vert has something there... vs. C5/6/7 nothing was there behind seat.

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The blue part...
Refer back to your post #4 in this thread. You're suggesting that, perhaps, that support structure behind the seats isn't as capable?
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:16 AM
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I think the issue with prior verts is there is nothing at all behind the windshield. So it you draw a line from the top of the windshield frame to the top of the back bumper, the line goes right through the head(s) of whomever is in the car. Many groups won't allow a "ragtop" because of concerns (frankly, over blown IMHO) about something can come through the soft top (but they require you to drive with the windows down, so that kinda kills their argument IMHO).

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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jvp
Refer back to your post #4 in this thread. You're suggesting that, perhaps, that support structure behind the seats isn't as capable?
What I suggest is irrelevant w/o understanding what that sturcture looks like. If it's just thin metal for the fake little quarter glass to bond do an the interior trim to attach to then that's different. Plus, what really matters is what GM says about that piece of metal and how the VIR track manager interprets it.

I probably could have just bought the car and showed up and driven it w/o issue. As an instructor we self tech and nobody would have realized it's a convertible, but I don't want to risk buying an $80,000 car I can't track if someone figures out it's a convertible.

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Originally Posted by vndkshn
I think the issue with prior verts is there is nothing at all behind the windshield. So it you draw a line from the top of the windshield frame to the top of the back bumper, the line goes right through the head(s) of whomever is in the car. Many groups won't allow a "ragtop" because of concerns (frankly, over blown IMHO) about something can come through the soft top (but they require you to drive with the windows down, so that kinda kills their argument IMHO).
Windows down is for extraction in a crash.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by elegant
I asked this question tonight and was told by several key top Corvette staff that the convertible does not meet rollover impact requirements.
Well that's a huge missed opportunity.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Secret Storm
Well that's a huge missed opportunity.
Don't take his response as gospel. As JVP mentioned they may have been meaning it has no "supplemental" rollover protection like pop-up supports.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by vndkshn
I think the issue with prior verts is there is nothing at all behind the windshield. So it you draw a line from the top of the windshield frame to the top of the back bumper, the line goes right through the head(s) of whomever is in the car. Many groups won't allow a "ragtop" because of concerns (frankly, over blown IMHO) about something can come through the soft top (but they require you to drive with the windows down, so that kinda kills their argument IMHO).
The C6 and C7 convertible tops as long as they are up will 100% support the vehicle upside down.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by elegant
I asked this question tonight and...
I'd recommend retracting this statement because it's incorrect or a miss-quote. And because folks may have trouble following through the entire thread, it may also accidentally mislead them.
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@jvp I need your email. Head of NASA-MA has some questions. Looks like you don't accept PMs?
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Secret Storm
The C6 and C7 convertible tops as long as they are up will 100% support the vehicle upside down.
This isn't new; it was engineered into the C5 that way and continued through till today. Please hop down off your usual "ignorance" horse and catch up to the conversation. You'll learn a thing or two. This specific convertible is far more protective of its occupants than any previous one. Top up or down.
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
I need your email. Head of NASA-MA has some questions. Looks like you don't accept PMs?
I do; I'm not getting in the middle of the NASA vs GM vs Corvette Forum discussion. I'm not a laywer, I'm not represented by a lawyer, and I'm not representing GM.

If what I've written on the forums isn't enough for NASA (and: that's perfectly OK that it isn't), then we'll have to do an "Ask Tadge" next month or some time after to get the specifics spelled out. Make sense?
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Originally Posted by jvp
I do; I'm not getting in the middle of the NASA vs GM vs Corvette Forum discussion. I'm not a laywer, I'm not represented by a lawyer, and I'm not representing GM.

If what I've written on the forums isn't enough for NASA (and: that's perfectly OK that it isn't), then we'll have to do an "Ask Tadge" next month or some time after to get the specifics spelled out. Make sense?
The send PM option is greyed out when I pull it up for you... maybe you blocked me
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
The send PM option is greyed out when I pull it up for you... maybe you blocked me
Urm... hm. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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Urm... hm. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Secret Storm
Well that's a huge missed opportunity.
What opportunity would that be? Investing another couple of million for 3 additional sales?
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Old Oct 3, 2019 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jvp
The windshield frame has been engineered for the roll-over requirements of a coupe, meaning able to support more than double the car's gross weight. The Nacelles will also provide some added support behind the seats, though they do not have any active (eg: pop-out, explosive, etc) protection.

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Just spoke to Tadge in person at the Kennedy Space Center event and he pretty much repeated this. He doesn't have any specific information on if different tracks or sanctioning bodies will accept the convertible or not.
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