Daytona 24 thoughts
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LMAO. . . there is no point in sandbagging in qualifying. BOP had already been determined before. Some teams really don't care where they qualify in a 7-car field in a 24-hour race because it really doesn't matter much where you start. GTLM cars starting at the back of the pack win as often as those on the pole. BOP is determined by practice data and racing results.
There is no such thing as sandbagging in an actual race. Every team is allowed to set their own pace and strategy. The only sandbagging you can do in a race is to finish last consistently in an effort to get BOP help.
Your brain disconnect is believing that qualifying speed predicts how fast you're going to be in a race. It does not.
There is no such thing as sandbagging in an actual race. Every team is allowed to set their own pace and strategy. The only sandbagging you can do in a race is to finish last consistently in an effort to get BOP help.
Your brain disconnect is believing that qualifying speed predicts how fast you're going to be in a race. It does not.
Last edited by Foosh; Jan 26, 2020 at 05:26 PM.
Melting Slicks
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No, I published the official IMSA specs. READ THE CHART published above. There were no changes to BMW BOP, including weight for this race. It was the lightest car in the race, according to official IMSA guidelines, not what I said. It is running at the same weight it was at the end of last season.
And if you were really paying as much attention as you claim to this series, you'd know that race speeds are very often different from qualifying speeds. It's what the cars have been doing in practice sessions that are often more telling, and the BMWs were fast all month.
And if you were really paying as much attention as you claim to this series, you'd know that race speeds are very often different from qualifying speeds. It's what the cars have been doing in practice sessions that are often more telling, and the BMWs were fast all month.
Of course race pace and qualifying pace can be different. Of course. But, BMWs were slow in qual trim and slow in race trim until the last several hours of the race. That's a pretty cute way to play it. If you are going to sandbag, you'd best be sure you don't suffer any accidents or issues early on that make it impossible to just lock the hammer down the last few hours, set fastest lap and then win the race. Very unusual.
Last edited by quick04Z06; Jan 26, 2020 at 06:06 PM.
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Very happy with the fourth place result given this was the C8Rs first race and there is always teething pain. And judging from the race commentators a few use to be race drivers they too gave the C8 very glowing reviews for its first race.
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You missed the fact the new 911s participated in a couple of euro races prior to the Rolex 24 which gave them a leg up dialing in the cars under race conditions. That made a huge difference even the race commentators brought up that point.
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Yep, finishing with a brand new, never-raced car on the lead lap after 24 hours was an impressive performance. Not many manufacturers can claim that in road-racing, and the Ford GT's first race (also at Daytona in 2016) had their best car (out of 4) finishing 30+ laps off the pace. 5 months later, they won at LeMans.
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Melting Slicks
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Yep, finishing with a brand new, never-raced car on the lead lap after 24 hours was an impressive performance. Not many manufacturers can claim that in road-racing, and the Ford GT's first race (also at Daytona in 2016) had their best car (out of 4) finishing 30+ laps off the pace. 5 months later, they won at LeMans.
Heel & Toe
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Disappointed. It appears the C-8s were not ready administratively.
- to small a fuel line connector
- Longer pit stops
- Lack of aggressiveness when in a position to make passes.
I watched 8 hours worth with 4 of them at the end. The car clearly is fast in the right hands. Qualified well, Great practice times, Set fastest time in class during the race on multiple occasions.
Unfortunately couldn't put it together and a 4th and a last in class is not good.
If it wasn't for the multiple full course yellows this morning they would have been at least 1 lap down and maybe 2.
Worse - no website to follow the team. No info form GM PR on the race. Dont think we will ever get the real story on the oil leak.
I am looking forward to better days but can't say I am pleased with the results.
- to small a fuel line connector
- Longer pit stops
- Lack of aggressiveness when in a position to make passes.
I watched 8 hours worth with 4 of them at the end. The car clearly is fast in the right hands. Qualified well, Great practice times, Set fastest time in class during the race on multiple occasions.
Unfortunately couldn't put it together and a 4th and a last in class is not good.
If it wasn't for the multiple full course yellows this morning they would have been at least 1 lap down and maybe 2.
Worse - no website to follow the team. No info form GM PR on the race. Dont think we will ever get the real story on the oil leak.
I am looking forward to better days but can't say I am pleased with the results.
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As much as I fundamentally like the concept of “bring your best”, technology today makes it impossible to have a safe competitive and “fan friendly” race series that way. I think BoP does a fantastic job of keeping different manufacturers race cars that start “life” so dramatically different from each other on a level playing field. It is remarkable to me that after 24 hrs of racing the winners of each class were not determined until the last lap. That’s the only way to keep fans interested long term.
Racer
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yes LOL! It coincidently happened on the 50th anniversary and with a car not yet homologated. Seems to be the “in thing” in the last decade to rewrite/revisit Hx and records.
Drifting
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While they were attempting to fix the oil leak on the #4 the subject was bought up about excessive vibration from the flat crank. I read the oil leak was due to a failed heat exchanger bracket. There was also mention of all the racers running over the corner bumps to the point during practice one suffered a broken oil pump that lead to a complete engine failure.
Also the timing and track position display left much to be desired.
From here we can only hope issues are resolved and performance is improved.
Also the timing and track position display left much to be desired.
From here we can only hope issues are resolved and performance is improved.
Burning Brakes
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A brand new car which finished 24 hours is a big win.
A brand new car which now has 24 hours of telemetry/data to analyze and help make adjustments for upcoming Sebring.
The car will be sorted and competitive in short order.
I think it looks/sounds FANTASTIC - a HUGE WIN!
A brand new car which now has 24 hours of telemetry/data to analyze and help make adjustments for upcoming Sebring.
The car will be sorted and competitive in short order.
I think it looks/sounds FANTASTIC - a HUGE WIN!
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As much as I fundamentally like the concept of “bring your best”, technology today makes it impossible to have a safe competitive and “fan friendly” race series that way. I think BoP does a fantastic job of keeping different manufacturers race cars that start “life” so dramatically different from each other on a level playing field. It is remarkable to me that after 24 hrs of racing the winners of each class were not determined until the last lap. That’s the only way to keep fans interested long term.
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Melting Slicks
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A brand new car which finished 24 hours is a big win.
A brand new car which now has 24 hours of telemetry/data to analyze and help make adjustments for upcoming Sebring.
The car will be sorted and competitive in short order.
I think it looks/sounds FANTASTIC - a HUGE WIN!
A brand new car which now has 24 hours of telemetry/data to analyze and help make adjustments for upcoming Sebring.
The car will be sorted and competitive in short order.
I think it looks/sounds FANTASTIC - a HUGE WIN!
First time out for a radically new chassis and a new (flat plane crank) engine and only 90+ seconds behind after 24 hours. I can't wait to see the C8Rs at Long Beach in April.
Melting Slicks
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Only watched bits and pieces, definitely will watch the recap when it goes on youtube... but I see the Corvette that finished 4th had 2 more pit stops than the BMW/Porsche/Porsche that finished 1-2-3.
Anyone really follow it and have insight? The obvious assumption is that the Corvette was thirstier than the other 3 that beat it..... but in reality, it could be just that there was some strategy involved and/or a million other things that made sense for Corvette Racing to pit 2 more times than the competition.
Anyone really follow it and have insight? The obvious assumption is that the Corvette was thirstier than the other 3 that beat it..... but in reality, it could be just that there was some strategy involved and/or a million other things that made sense for Corvette Racing to pit 2 more times than the competition.
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Having a 4 series its nice to see the upset by the BMW M4GTS. Was surprised to see it win, expected the 911's to win even though they are on brand new platforms. Did think the C8 might make the podium but it seemed there were having issues in practice & qualifying.
Le Mans Master
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They lost, and that showing was disappointing. The Porsche’s (also brand new) pushed us around. We’ve got a long way to go before we are competitive in the class. I’m a little sour with it so fresh...car looked cool so there’s that...and they finished, which beats...not finishing
Racer
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They lost, and that showing was disappointing. The Porsche’s (also brand new) pushed us around. We’ve got a long way to go before we are competitive in the class. I’m a little sour with it so fresh...car looked cool so there’s that...and they finished, which beats...not finishing
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