Front hood popped open today
08-05-2020, 10:19 PM
#801
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GM has said their engineers are reviewing the issue to determine what can be done to prevent it occurring in the future. Do you really believe they are going publish every speculation they have on the issue? They are probably trying everything they can to recreate the issue. Looking at the options on the cars where it occurred, maybe measuring electromagnetic fields where it occurred. Pouring through codes looking for spurious branches. Do you guys really think this some really simple thing to find and fix? If so, they would already have issued the fix or ordering parts to fix the issue.
I you guys don’t remember the Ford Explorer tire blow outs and rollovers. For months it was blamed on Firestone. It wasn’t a tire problem at all. It was a combination of lower specified tire pressures by Ford in response to complaints about a rough ride on the highway, and people’s in attention to tire pressures, letting them sag below spec, overloading the vehicle in combination with instructions to raise tire pressures if you were going to traveling at high speeds or carrying heavy loads. So mostly user error, and Ford not specifying a wide enough margin of error human ignorance.
What would have GM do, stop production of the car, for something the cause is unknown, or could be fixed with a software update or a new connector, or sensor? Tell everyone to park their car, when there have been maybe 12 incidents. There are no easy solution (to an unknown cause) or it would have happened or been announced.
or are you the same people that when there is a police shooting, that assume the police are the bad guys, even before all the facts are known.
I you guys don’t remember the Ford Explorer tire blow outs and rollovers. For months it was blamed on Firestone. It wasn’t a tire problem at all. It was a combination of lower specified tire pressures by Ford in response to complaints about a rough ride on the highway, and people’s in attention to tire pressures, letting them sag below spec, overloading the vehicle in combination with instructions to raise tire pressures if you were going to traveling at high speeds or carrying heavy loads. So mostly user error, and Ford not specifying a wide enough margin of error human ignorance.
What would have GM do, stop production of the car, for something the cause is unknown, or could be fixed with a software update or a new connector, or sensor? Tell everyone to park their car, when there have been maybe 12 incidents. There are no easy solution (to an unknown cause) or it would have happened or been announced.
or are you the same people that when there is a police shooting, that assume the police are the bad guys, even before all the facts are known.
The bean counters will want to wait until it looks like the cost of stonewalling exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
The lawyers will want to wait until the cost of the potential liability exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
If were lucky, the NTSB will intervene.
The owners will want the problem resolved so they aren't put at risk or the insurance premiums go up.
That's the way the system works.
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08-05-2020, 10:36 PM
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I said that because it makes sense, but not 100% sure it will work OK. With the CAN bus everything gets weird. After I pulled #18 I had hood open message. it cleared after I used the cable and opened and closed the hood. Not sure if the system needs to "see" the latch motor or not. Just saying.
08-05-2020, 11:11 PM
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Since the C8 PDR automatically engages on models that have it, we should be seeing more video testimonials coming in the pipeline.
I wonder if the rocker switch you press or pull is the culprit?
I wonder if the rocker switch you press or pull is the culprit?
08-06-2020, 07:50 AM
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08-06-2020, 05:22 PM
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08-06-2020, 05:29 PM
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08-06-2020, 05:58 PM
#808
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Yes, the engineers will want to fix the problem.
The bean counters will want to wait until it looks like the cost of stonewalling exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
The lawyers will want to wait until the cost of the potential liability exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
If were lucky, the NTSB will intervene.
The owners will want the problem resolved so they aren't put at risk or the insurance premiums go up.
That's the way the system works.
The bean counters will want to wait until it looks like the cost of stonewalling exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
The lawyers will want to wait until the cost of the potential liability exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
If were lucky, the NTSB will intervene.
The owners will want the problem resolved so they aren't put at risk or the insurance premiums go up.
That's the way the system works.
08-06-2020, 06:07 PM
#809
Yes, the engineers will want to fix the problem.
The bean counters will want to wait until it looks like the cost of stonewalling exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
The lawyers will want to wait until the cost of the potential liability exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
If were lucky, the NTSB will intervene.
The owners will want the problem resolved so they aren't put at risk or the insurance premiums go up.
That's the way the system works.
The bean counters will want to wait until it looks like the cost of stonewalling exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
The lawyers will want to wait until the cost of the potential liability exceeds the cost of fixing the problem.
If were lucky, the NTSB will intervene.
The owners will want the problem resolved so they aren't put at risk or the insurance premiums go up.
That's the way the system works.
I'll add to this, the overreach of nanny state safety regulations and features to prevent the 1/100,000 event ( an unfortunate child trapped in frunk?)), with the unintended consequence of allowing an inadvertent hood fly up- 12/5000 to date occurrence-- (so far as we know here) which is potentially much, much higher fatal outcome.
Mechanical redundancies incorporated for years ( as mentioned in this thread) could address both issues.
Reminds me of the very sad stories we would hear each summer of a parent on way to work forgetting an infant in a car seat. The $300 tech solutions that were floated were ridiculous.
I would think: How 'bout the parent take their giant yellow BABY ON BOARD sign, and hang it from the rear view mirror facing THEM, rather than outwards as a signal to other motorists that they should "mind their driving" or whatever it meant. I was never really sure.
Weeks away from my CMG/2LT/Z51 stuck at 3000 since 1.31.
I'm 7th in line at my dealer and #5, Rapid is on the transport. Will def check that out ( mouth watering)
08-07-2020, 07:19 AM
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Interesting happenings. I will be picking up my repaired car on Tuesday at the dealer. I will ask them to do the update before my pickup. No matter what,I will still be adding a tether. It was a scary experience having the frunk pop open and I do not want to take any chances! Good luck to all.
Norm
Norm
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08-07-2020, 08:54 AM
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Melting Slicks
Interesting happenings. I will be picking up my repaired car on Tuesday at the dealer. I will ask them to do the update before my pickup. No matter what,I will still be adding a tether. I was a scary experience having the frunk pop open and I do not want to take any chances! Good luck to all.
Norm
Norm
08-07-2020, 10:45 AM
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does not read like it solves the popping hood issue.
08-07-2020, 10:56 AM
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^^^
Until GM defines the actual cause, and says most probably what it was, I'll do the same. We all can "guess" the cause as to what it "might be" BUT a tether is easy to install, prevents damage or an accident should it occur.
Until GM defines the actual cause, and says most probably what it was, I'll do the same. We all can "guess" the cause as to what it "might be" BUT a tether is easy to install, prevents damage or an accident should it occur.
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08-07-2020, 01:48 PM
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And NO, almost every other lawyer on the planet prays for the opportunity to be hired to represent the defendants of major litigations or major government prosecutions and investigations.
When in school I worked as a messenger for Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher who were retained to represent GM in a major government prosecution. They had a 3000 sq ft room dedicated to the effort. It had 2 supervising senior partners, 6 junior lawyers, 20 staff and clerks, and 8 xerox machines the size of golf carts making thousands and thousands of copies 24 hours a day every day 6 days a week and then storing them away. They made millions over two years.
But, YES, it is the bean counters who make recommendations to the CEO as to whether to settle or fight. But, always with the advice of corporate counsel. However, once the bean counters and the lawyers have offered their advice on how to best proceed, the CEO’s thank them and tell them to leave the board room. Only then does the CEO turn to the BOD and say, “OK, we’ve heard from the bean counters and the legal eagles. Now, what are we really going to do?”
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08-07-2020, 02:21 PM
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Bucco, congrats. I may have missed it somewhere in the 810+ posts but in picking up your car, are you paying for this----meaning, your insurance company? Or, is this all on GM's dime?
Thanks and I hope your car is perfect!
Thanks and I hope your car is perfect!
08-10-2020, 12:48 PM
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I pulled fuse 18 until GM comes out with a fix.
08-10-2020, 01:42 PM
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2024 Corvette of the Year Finalist - Unmodified
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I just pulled mine before a one day road trip to SoCal and back. I was having trouble getting the glove box out but it just requires some force. After the first step of removing the latched part on the right you have to squeeze the sides of the glove box inward before pulling the glove box down. That’s it. It’s the squeezing inward part that will cause hesitation because it feels like you will break it. Squeeze near the tabs that are on either side of the glove box and it makes it easier.
08-10-2020, 01:54 PM
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There's a step by step on MECF.