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Old Sep 9, 2020 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AORoads
The above is certainly an improvement...as long as it, too, works. If the frunk is unlatching AFTER the re-do, then the 26 mph limitation can be suspect as well. We will see, or we may not see. Anecdotal such as the OP, is good, but not all-encompassing because why? all buyers of C8's are not on CF, nor do all owners post on CF.
Yes, and I still haven't heard anyone say the warning chime and lights are now more obvious. If not, distraction-induced forgetting to push down firmly to latch could still cause a problem, whereas, the passive mechanical safety latch system would not.

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Old Sep 9, 2020 | 04:57 PM
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Yes, and I still haven't heard anyone say the warning chime and lights are now more obvious. If not, distraction-induced forgetting to push down firmly to latch could still cause a problem, whereas, the passive mechanical safety latch system would not.
So, GM's fix was a reprogramming software fix? That did not Fail Safe the hood from flying open?!?

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Old Sep 9, 2020 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rrsperry
Hermione would tell you that it's "LEV E OSA" not "Leve osa"

But I'm just a old M.E., but methinks there is some electronic sumpthin sumpthin going on with phones and the fob or in car boxes...
Did you just throw out a Harry Potter reference?? Now that's funny, I love it!

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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 11:38 AM
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So, GM's fix was a reprogramming software fix? That did not Fail Safe the hood from flying open?!?
Supposedly, the software keeps the vehicle from traveling over 26 mph if the frunk lid is not latched. The software also changed fob function to supposedly make it harder to inadvertently open the frunk.

It obviously doesn't address a situation where someone sits the hood down and then forgets to latch it because of distraction or whatever. Obviously, with a mechanical safety latch, just setting it down lightly engages that latch.

GM simply attempted to minimize the consequences of that so-called "driver error" as opposed to making it impossible to drive away without a safety latch engaged. If it always works as advertised, along with the warning chime and visual alert, it probably addresses the safety issue for the most part.

One can reasonably argue that it wasn't the best solution, but it was the fastest and most cost-effective means of satisfying the safety requirement (if it works as advertised).

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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 12:35 PM
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I am not sure why everyone feels the "26 mph limit" is going to do any good if you are going 75 mph when the frunk pops open. Quit relying so much on the 26 mph limit. It most likely will never occur below 26 mph!
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 01:06 PM
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I am not sure why everyone feels the "26 mph limit" is going to do any good if you are going 75 mph when the frunk pops open. Quit relying so much on the 26 mph limit. It most likely will never occur below 26 mph!
It goes back to the root cause of the issue. If the driver mistakenly forgets to latch the frunk prior to driving, I think its a good solution. If the frunk opens uncommanded while at higher speeds, then GM does not have a valid solution and assumed the wrong root cause (operator error).

I have been doing more tests (using the fob to open the frunk while in D, pushing the button on the side of the door while in D)...the frunk does NOT open. It only opens while in park which is good.

I also have tried to replicate the original problem of the frunk opening while standing close around the car with the fob and my phone in my pockets...nothing. I am currently now turning "on" each variable (one at a time) that I changed when this problem occurred to see at what point (if any) the issue occurs again. Variables I am considering are (Mychevrolet connect app on phone, in Car Hot Spot, WIFI connection to my home, phone on with/without bluetooth, phone with/without cell signal, My chevrolet app login INSIDE the car, User profile with chev connect, also verified the front actuation switch was securely seated and dry). So far, the problem has not repeated yet (and I have waited a full 24 hours before starting to turn "on" any of the variables. The night the problem first occured, it occurred 3 times when washing/drying car. The next day, the frunk opened again a few times while I was inside the house (I came out and saw the frunk opened, then closed it and got frustrated so decided to turn off as many of the signals/features I could think of. As discussed above, I am turning each one back on (one at a time) and waiting to see if the frunk opens. So far, no frunk opening up.

Am confident GM will fix this...just might take a while as there are numerous variables GM would have to consider. I do this kind of thing as a living for the company I work with...but in the company, I also have access to all the diagnostic tools/equipment...not the case here.

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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob4092xx
I am not sure why everyone feels the "26 mph limit" is going to do any good if you are going 75 mph when the frunk pops open. Quit relying so much on the 26 mph limit. It most likely will never occur below 26 mph!
No C8 frunk has popped open at high speed. This little tidbit tells us that most likely the fob button was inadvertently getting pressed while in the drivers pocket prior to putting the car in drive. I would assume this most likely happens as they got in the car and had to bend at the waist and either cause other things in the pocket or the clothing itself to rub against the fob button.
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 01:24 PM
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ANY car with a front opening hood facing into the wind should only have a manual release. There is no need for a remote frunk. It's stupid. And I love tech!
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob4092xx
I am not sure why everyone feels the "26 mph limit" is going to do any good if you are going 75 mph when the frunk pops open. Quit relying so much on the 26 mph limit. It most likely will never occur below 26 mph!
Agreed, just trying to be objective here. I don't think the system was adequate in the first place, driver error or not, and that the passive mechanical safety latch is the obvious and best solution, as implemented on my Porsche, because it addresses all possible root causes.

However, my point above was that GM has claimed to NHTSA that all reported events were "driver error." They claim to have voluntarily "fixed" that problem, and NHTSA has no evidence to dispute that claim at present. Thus, GM, for the time being, has met the letter of the law.

Maybe they actually did fix it, and we'll never see a hood-blinded, C8 driver again. We'll certainly know soon enough as more and more C8s hit the streets and tracks.

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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Agreed, just trying to be objective here. I don't think the system was adequate in the first place, driver error or not, and that the passive mechanical safety latch is the obvious and best solution, as implemented on my Porsche, because it addresses all possible root causes.

However, my point above was that GM has claimed to NHTSA that all reported events were "driver error." They claim to have voluntarily "fixed" that problem, and NHTSA has no evidence to dispute that claim at present. Thus, GM, for the time being, has met the letter of the law.

Maybe they actually did fix it, and we'll never see a hood-blinded, C8 driver again. We'll certainly know soon enough as more and more C8s hit the streets and tracks.
Would now be a good time to interject that absolutely no one has addressed the other elephant in the room. What about the flying roof club?!? Several model redesigns later and they still don’t have a method to stop dummies from not latching their roof panel down. And I don’t hear people screaming about how with all this technology they could design a warning to “sense” when the matches are engaged or unengaged to prevent this. YouTube of full of funny/sad videos of people having this happen. And still no fix. But no one is losing their minds about this one!! Even though it could fly off and strike other cars or pedestrians. Didn’t raise this to make any specific point - other than I find it funny no one is talking about it.
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 04:25 PM
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Yeah, "flying roof syndrome" is a head-scratcher too. While there is little danger to the occupants of the Corvette from which a roof departs, there certainly is danger to someone following behind. I am a bit surprised, after 15 years of this happening in C6 and C7, NHTSA never intervened and pressured GM into some sort of visual or aural alarm for a roof not latched.
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Yeah, "flying roof syndrome" is a head-scratcher too. While there is little danger to the occupants of the Corvette from which a roof departs, there certainly is danger to someone following behind. I am a bit surprised, after 15 years of this happening in C6 and C7, NHTSA never intervened and pressured GM into some sort of visual or aural alarm for a roof not latched.
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob4092xx
It most likely will never occur below 26 mph!
Um, this is just wrong. It IS likely to occur below 26mph because AFTER the car is in gear, it will not accept signals to unlatch the frunk, it's the very reason not one case has been reported at higher speed. I tested mine and with the hood not fully latched you do have a dash warning with chime and the car simply will not exceed 26mph no matter if the throttle is on the floor.
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Old Sep 10, 2020 | 06:53 PM
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^^ And I do believe that everyone posting on here hopes it never does happen, either below 26 or worse, above 26 mph. Still, if it does, there is nothing to hold it back and at some point software alone can't reverse a loose hood and re-secure it.

Unless it has an auto-close, a la electric pull-down/trunk closer that's stronger than the speed/wind pressure.
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