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Old May 30, 2021 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by whitting63
Plant shut down until 6/21 TPW moved back another two weeks 5/31 now probably 7/6 If this keeps up maybe pushed to a 2022 and can get the low spoiler
if you’re at 3000, you’re getting a 2021…one way or another.
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Old May 30, 2021 | 11:37 AM
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probably another I am not bent out of shape This is my 19th corvette first one in 1975 I have two C2 in my garage so I have something to drive both NCRS top flight
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Old May 30, 2021 | 01:41 PM
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Its beginning to look like groundhog day. No lol.
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Old May 30, 2021 | 02:09 PM
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With the continued enormous popularity of the C8 and 2+ years of ongoing significant backlog of orders does GM consider creating additional production? I ask this question with the following givens... First, the global supply chain/parts issues would still have BG down even if you could produce double the capacity. Second, the awesome folks at the BG plant are producing a great product and not questioning their efforts at all. We have seen that BG can produce 900 cars per week when running smoothly with 2 shifts. What occurs on the 3rd shift? Is this for preventative maintenance on the line for the next day? Is there a long term option to hire and create a 3rd shift? I have just started my journey with a waitlist deposit a month ago and patiently wait, watch and research all things C8 to pass the time. Possibly someone here has detail into plant operations.
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Old May 30, 2021 | 02:20 PM
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If you want to get "up to speed" as to what has transpired, look at post #1655 that was from the first post in the first SS ( https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...e-restart.html ) and it should answer 99. 9999 % of most questions you could possibly ask and provide a free miniseries for your enjoyment and pass time if there is nothing on the tube that interests you. The thread that is.

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Old May 30, 2021 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VetteBlessed
With the continued enormous popularity of the C8 and 2+ years of ongoing significant backlog of orders does GM consider creating additional production? I ask this question with the following givens... First, the global supply chain/parts issues would still have BG down even if you could produce double the capacity. Second, the awesome folks at the BG plant are producing a great product and not questioning their efforts at all. We have seen that BG can produce 900 cars per week when running smoothly with 2 shifts. What occurs on the 3rd shift? Is this for preventative maintenance on the line for the next day? Is there a long term option to hire and create a 3rd shift? I have just started my journey with a waitlist deposit a month ago and patiently wait, watch and research all things C8 to pass the time. Possibly someone here has detail into plant operations.
IF THEY CAN RELIABLY SOURCE MORE PARTS (big if!!!) I think they’d be better off working OT. 6 days a week and extended hours a couple days each week would avoid the need for new hires or the dreaded “temps.” No layoffs when they finally catch up. Win for GM (more profit), union members (big OT checks) and of course us frustrated C8 customers...
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Old May 30, 2021 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by C8J
If you want to get "up to speed" as to what has transpired, look at post #1655 that was from the first post in the first SS ( https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...e-restart.html ) and it should answer 99. 9999 % of most questions you could possibly ask and provide a free miniseries for your enjoyment and pass time if there is nothing on the tube that interests you. The thread that is.
Thanks. I went to the specific post #1655 and did not see what you were describing. Possibly I am not understanding your direction?

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Old May 30, 2021 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by VetteBlessed
Thanks. I went to the specific post #1655 and did not see what you were describing. Possibly I am not understanding your direction?
If you go to the thread I posted, you will see that post #1655 is the first post in that lengthy thread that covers the 2020MY and the genesis of the original SS and its evolution during the entire model year eventually leading to this thread and its wonderful SS and data farm..

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Originally Posted by C8J
If you go to the thread I posted, you will see that post #1655 is the first post in that lengthy thread that covers the 2020MY and the genesis of the original SS and its evolution during the entire model year eventually leading to this thread and its wonderful SS and data farm..
C8J, thank you for posting the reminder and the link to the spreadsheet that started the whole concept in the forums. It's a really good read, to not only see how the spreadsheet has evolved thanks to your efforts, and all of the input from those who participated, just like how this year has progressed. It follows the same path of happiness and frustration, although for slightly different reasons, but with the same results of delay, followed by the excitement of finally getting that "game changer"...

As we continue through the 2021 MY, in fits and starts, it's worthwhile to re-visit the mess that was 2020, and see how this year is at least a little better than the last one.

And of course, none of it holds a candle when we consider what today honors, the sacrifice of those who made the ultimate sacrifice so that we have a chance to live free, and enjoy America's great sports car.
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Old May 31, 2021 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BobG
C8J, thank you for posting the reminder and the link to the spreadsheet that started the whole concept in the forums. It's a really good read, to not only see how the spreadsheet has evolved thanks to your efforts, and all of the input from those who participated, just like how this year has progressed. It follows the same path of happiness and frustration, although for slightly different reasons, but with the same results of delay, followed by the excitement of finally getting that "game changer"...

As we continue through the 2021 MY, in fits and starts, it's worthwhile to re-visit the mess that was 2020, and see how this year is at least a little better than the last one.

And of course, none of it holds a candle when we consider what today honors, the sacrifice of those who made the ultimate sacrifice so that we have a chance to live free, and enjoy America's great sports car.
Back at You!
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Old May 31, 2021 | 08:57 AM
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I know not everyone reads every thread, and since this was posted in the march allocations thread, I thought it worthwhile to copy/cross post it here:
Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
The rumor that the plant is closed until June 21 is absolutely false. In a week, you'll know my statement is correct.
While anything can change, I know he has very solid Corvette connections, so this is a very good development...
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Originally Posted by C8J
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Well, thank you again! But most importantly, I believe the 2022 folks are going to be very happy with the continuation of the original C8 production spreadsheet.
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Old May 31, 2021 | 07:21 PM
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by VetteBlessed
With the continued enormous popularity of the C8 and 2+ years of ongoing significant backlog of orders does GM consider creating additional production? I ask this question with the following givens... First, the global supply chain/parts issues would still have BG down even if you could produce double the capacity. Second, the awesome folks at the BG plant are producing a great product and not questioning their efforts at all. We have seen that BG can produce 900 cars per week when running smoothly with 2 shifts. What occurs on the 3rd shift? Is this for preventative maintenance on the line for the next day? Is there a long term option to hire and create a 3rd shift? I have just started my journey with a waitlist deposit a month ago and patiently wait, watch and research all things C8 to pass the time. Possibly someone here has detail into plant operations.
Considering the strain on them getting enough parts to keep 2 shifts running, a 3rd shift wouldn't help matter much. Maybe a short burst here an there, but probably even more work stopages.

You also have to consider how long it would take to train a completely new crew for this 3rd shift, and possibly even on the first and second shifts as certain positions in the 3rd would need to be filled by experienced people.

Adding a 3rd shift is a very big undertaking that requires a lot of planning. A company I worked for in college looked at doing just that for months, only to instead do 12 hour shifts for a few positions that were in the cards for the shift.

​​​​If anything, I could see tglhem maybe trying to add a 6th day, or the above mebtioned shift and a half. The issue with either option is the structuring of their union agreement will have a heavy hand in whatever happens, and the costs really might not be worth it for the short term gains.

This is all also taking out the wear on the human body from the equation. In the case of my company, 1.5+1.5 shifts did not equal 3 shifts worth of production. I can't remember the numbers too well anymore, but it never hit 100% for all shifts and slowly went down from there as the people got tired.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by N7 VAHung
Considering the strain on them getting enough parts to keep 2 shifts running, a 3rd shift wouldn't help matter much. Maybe a short burst here an there, but probably even more work stopages.

You also have to consider how long it would take to train a completely new crew for this 3rd shift, and possibly even on the first and second shifts as certain positions in the 3rd would need to be filled by experienced people.

Adding a 3rd shift is a very big undertaking that requires a lot of planning. A company I worked for in college looked at doing just that for months, only to instead do 12 hour shifts for a few positions that were in the cards for the shift.

​​​​If anything, I could see tglhem maybe trying to add a 6th day, or the above mebtioned shift and a half. The issue with either option is the structuring of their union agreement will have a heavy hand in whatever happens, and the costs really might not be worth it for the short term gains.

This is all also taking out the wear on the human body from the equation. In the case of my company, 1.5+1.5 shifts did not equal 3 shifts worth of production. I can't remember the numbers too well anymore, but it never hit 100% for all shifts and slowly went down from there as the people got tired.
I agree not much long term progress would be made meeting demand with OT or Saturdays. Also realizing the complexity of the union contract comes into play. I was more interested in whether a long term effort of building a 3rd shift was a viable option. I run a plant that runs 24/6, but by no means is as complex and large as a car manufacturer. Quite possibly there is a lot of preventative maintenance done on 3rd shift that allows the other 2 shifts to run efficiently. No complaints from my end regarding the efforts of the folks at BG. GM has a tremendous hit on their hands and assume there would be discussions of how to meet demand in the long term, ie. future MY's, with additional production.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 11:29 AM
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Based on following, it seems like C8 production halt will be extended for another week

https://www.motor1.com/news/510478/c...-beyond-june1/
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Originally Posted by Draftcard
3000 since 3/1 called this week to GM no change told to call back in two weeks. Question, once an order is in 3000 status can a dealer with multiple locations place another order ahead of my order?
Dealers have no control over how cars are advanced through the 3000-Accepted by Production Control to 5000-Delivered to Dealer process. Scheduling production is based on what works best for the factory.

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With the continued enormous popularity of the C8 and 2+ years of ongoing significant backlog of orders does GM consider creating additional production? I ask this question with the following givens... First, the global supply chain/parts issues would still have BG down even if you could produce double the capacity. Second, the awesome folks at the BG plant are producing a great product and not questioning their efforts at all. We have seen that BG can produce 900 cars per week when running smoothly with 2 shifts. What occurs on the 3rd shift? Is this for preventative maintenance on the line for the next day? Is there a long term option to hire and create a 3rd shift? I have just started my journey with a waitlist deposit a month ago and patiently wait, watch and research all things C8 to pass the time. Possibly someone here has detail into plant operations.
There is - and will be - absolutely no plans to add a third shift. That is a very costly long term fix to a shorter term problem. The excess demand will not last forever. Hiring and training another shift is very expensive, and in a year or so (when supply exceeds demand) it is even more expensive to terminate all those third shift personnel. Besides, as you mentioned, the supply chain simply cannot support additional production.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MachC8
Based on following, it seems like C8 production halt will be extended for another week

https://www.motor1.com/news/510478/c...-beyond-june1/
That article is referencing the extension for this week. There have been no articles released hinting at any extension beyond this Friday. The only rumors have be put out by YouTube Corvette personalities.
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Old Jun 1, 2021 | 03:09 PM
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Aren't influencers so valuable - NOT!
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Old Jun 2, 2021 | 09:26 AM
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Bob,

A member on the FB group posted that 3 VINS were produced on 5/27.

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