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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 09:44 AM
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What's the "Special Socket" size ? Is it used to remove the aluminum panel covering the DCT and filter, etc? Almost looks just like the socket that is used to remove the front brake caliper center retainer bolt....
It's a low profile Torx Plus socket.
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Some people have purchased regular Torx Plus sockets and ground them down.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 10:13 AM
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What's the "Special Socket" size ? Is it used to remove the aluminum panel covering the DCT and filter, etc? Almost looks just like the socket that is used to remove the front brake caliper center retainer bolt....
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E Torx Star Female Bit Socket "E16"

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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 10:46 AM
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Problem I have with 7,500 mile service is the Dealer has no Transmission Fluid.
GM has none in stock, nor any other Local to area Dealers either. 2 weeks ago. Not sure if they had a filter in stock or not.
Hope was to be able to get 2 get shipped in ion 2 weeks,. I'll have to check to see if Dealer had a filter, in stock or not, as that was not mentioned.

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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
There is no minimum oil life requirement from GM for the first free oil change.
Ask your dealer to show you a GM document that states that.
Would not be so sure lots of different words in various documents but no big deal. Even with 1000 miles in 10 months the OLM will show 17% oil life left. For my early 2014 C7 Z51 dealers would not give you a free oil change until the OLM said <20% life left. I plan to have my oil/filter and DCT filter changed at 11 months when the OLM will show 9% oil life left!

From my experience with 2 C7's, expect dash warning when there is ~10% oil life left! Can look at any time yourself. Just have to be sure it's NOT after 12 months.

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Would not be so sure lots of different words in various documents but no big deal. Even with 1000 miles in 10 months the OLM will show 17% oil life left. For my early 2014 C7 Z51 dealers would not give you a free oil change until the OLM said <20% life left. I plan to have my oil/filter and DCT filter changed at 11 months when the OLM will show 9% oil life left!

From my experience with 2 C7's, expect dash warning when there is ~10% oil life left! Can look at any time yourself. Just have to be sure it's NOT after 12 months.
Perhaps, but I've never seen a document from GM posted that states there is a minimum OLM requirement for the C8. But I've seen a lot of GM documents posted concerning the first free oil change that don't mention a minimum OLM requirement.
At any rate, there have been several people that got the free engine oil and filter change with the OLM above 20%. And I don't think the dealers would do it if they weren't getting reimbursed from GM.
My recommendation is try another dealer if they refuse to do it because you haven't reached 20% life.
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^^^
Would wonder why you would want to get the oil changed at say 9 months (25% oil life left) and not wait until at least 10 months? Guess if you want to waste the free change AND not get the DCT filter changed at the same time OK. But as many have done, pay for the ~500 mile oil change if hat makes you sleep better at night (IMO not needed) then the free change just before the car 12 months and get the DCT filter chaged free as well.

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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LJT
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E Torx Star Female Bit Socket "E16"

Actually, that's not correct. They use E Torx Plus which has a different internal shape. I bought these at O'Reilly Auto Parts.


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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JerryU
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Would wonder why you would want to get the oil changed at say 9 months (25% oil life left) and not wait until at least 10 months? Guess if you want to waste the free change AND not get the DCT filter changed at the same time OK. But as many have done, pay for the ~500 mile oil change if hat makes you sleep better at night (IMO not needed) then the free change just before the car 12 months and get the DCT filter chaged free as well.
I agree but the problem would be with people that did an early oil change on their dime and reset the OLM. If the car isn't driven much and the oil change was done several months after the car was purchased then the OLM may not be down to 20% when the first year is about to expire.
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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
There is no minimum oil life requirement from GM for the first free oil change.
Ask your dealer to show you a GM document that states that.

No need. I’m at 6700 miles and under 20% on OLM. #notawaxer.

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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 09:48 PM
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Not only did I have to school my tech on how to correctly read the oil dipstick (i.e., hot idling engine), I just now realized he must have reset the transmission fluid life monitor at the same time as the oil life monitor. At 3,400 miles and 6 months the TFM is at 93%. OLM now at 90%. Oil changed 1,000 miles and four weeks ago.
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window sticker says you get first maintenance visit, at least it does on mine.

Anybody get that free tire rotation they mentioned in that service? I'm going to guess they copied and pasted that which means they probably spent Zero time really understanding if the vehicle needs special requirements. So topping off vs not topping off is debatable.

Also, not sure why anybody would want to change oil early: unless they have high idle time, track time at long high RPM, or the vehicle oil is getting more towards the one year mark before the 7500 because oil products do have a shelf life, etc....
However,
I can make a good case for frequent oil changes for those that trust somebody else to do it: they aren't draining as much oil as possible. clearly they aren't determining where the lowest point is on the drain pan, such as back right and then lift on the front left,and let it drip for several minutes. You'd be surprised how much extra oil comes out. Helps prevent slug build up in the bottom of the pan. But fast and frequent oil changes don't prevent overfilling which is equally harmful. With this said, throw money at it and say you care, or if you really care, do it yourself. Why: Because if you really care you will want to know exactly how much came out, how much went in, what it looked like, and that you got as much of the old oil out as you possible could. Dealership mechanics don't really care about your car, I don't trust them to use the correct oil unless I can see the bottle and them putting it in as well as knowing it wasn't on the shelf for a long time.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffsmith2139
Anybody get that free tire rotation they mentioned in that service? I'm going to guess they copied and pasted that which means they probably spent Zero time really understanding if the vehicle needs special requirements.
Apparently they copied and pasted it from the owners manual, it's a good read, highly recommended.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil1098
Apparently they copied and pasted it from the owners manual, it's a good read, highly recommended.
it's pretty comical on some topics, pretty useful on others. i meant they probably copied and pasted parts from another vehicles etc since we can't rotate the tires unless we want to drive backwards. ofcourse the maintence part I have yet to read, that's what I got this forum for, lol.
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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffsmith2139
it's pretty comical on some topics, pretty useful on others. i meant they probably copied and pasted parts from another vehicles etc since we can't rotate the tires unless we want to drive backwards. ofcourse the maintence part I have yet to read, that's what I got this forum for, lol.
Might want to look at the manual before you say can't and drive backwards.



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Old Jun 8, 2021 | 11:50 PM
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[QUOTE=Phil1098;1603568083]Might want to look at the manual before you say can't and drive backwards.

Interesting, I'll give you this one.
I mean i guess if they will take them off the rim and move them, I'll buy that idea. If they do that first maintenance then I'll be happy to let them do it if they can do it guaranteeing they won't scratch the rim. My local dealership wouldn't even let the guys drive the car into the garage, not who i purchased from. I wonder how many people option for this and if they really see any abnormal wear? The C7s and C6s I'm sure are comparable so they should be experienced enough.
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[QUOTE=jeffsmith2139;1603568237]
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Might want to look at the manual before you say can't and drive backwards.

Interesting, I'll give you this one.
I mean i guess if they will take them off the rim and move them, I'll buy that idea. If they do that first maintenance then I'll be happy to let them do it if they can do it guaranteeing they won't scratch the rim. My local dealership wouldn't even let the guys drive the car into the garage, not who i purchased from. I wonder how many people option for this and if they really see any abnormal wear? The C7s and C6s I'm sure are comparable so they should be experienced enough.
Tire “rotation” is the same as the “rotation” was on the C7. The tires (and wheels) are swapped to opposite side. No need to remove tires from wheels!
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[QUOTE=Tin-can;1603568293]
Originally Posted by jeffsmith2139

Tire “rotation” is the same as the “rotation” was on the C7. The tires (and wheels) are swapped to opposite side. No need to remove tires from wheels!
i learned something new again. These tires do say "outside" but are not directional such as the tires on my other vette with aftermarket wheels and tires and the Viper. but then again i never bought Michelin pilot sport 4s. Thanks.
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Old Jun 9, 2021 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffsmith2139
…I can make a good case for frequent oil changes for those that trust somebody else to do it: they aren't draining as much oil as possible. clearly they aren't determining where the lowest point is on the drain pan, such as back right and then lift on the front left,and let it drip for several minutes. You'd be surprised how much extra oil comes out. Helps prevent slug build up in the bottom of the pan. But fast and frequent oil changes don't prevent overfilling which is equally harmful. With this said, throw money at it and say you care, or if you really care, do it yourself. Why: Because if you really care you will want to know exactly how much came out, how much went in, what it looked like, and that you got as much of the old oil out as you possible could. Dealership mechanics don't really care about your car, I don't trust them to use the correct oil unless I can see the bottle and them putting it in as well as knowing it wasn't on the shelf for a long time.
Several years ago, I posted here on the Forum that when I did oil changes on my C7, I would pull the oil filter and drain plugs before turning in for the night, then I’d replace the filter, drain plugs and add oil the next morning. I mentioned I liked letting the oil drain overnight. I can’t tell you how many “crazy emoticon” ( ) responses I got. I was told the difference between letting the oil drain for 10 minutes vs 12 hours was negligible, maybe an ounce or two at most. I ignored those comments and continued to let the oil drain overnight when I did my own oil changes. The way I looked at it was - what’s the harm? I’m sleeping anyway so it’s not like I could be driving it…
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[QUOTE=jeffsmith2139;1603568367]
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i learned something new again. These tires do say "outside" but are not directional such as the tires on my other vette with aftermarket wheels and tires and the Viper. but then again i never bought Michelin pilot sport 4s. Thanks.
Yep, can get confusing. Have had both types. Asymmetrical but not Directional, like the C7 and C8. Wider tread on the outside and different side wall construction and even rubber compound inside then out BUT not directional. They are just labeled OUTSIDE. Have to be sure when a new tire is mounted the OUTSIDE is outside!

Then there are Directional that may or may not be Asymmetrical. Those that are both, i.e compound or construction difference inside to out are labeled with an arrow identifying way they must rotate AND Left or Right. No way to rotate with different sizes front and back!

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Curious as I watched Rick Conti's Tech Vlog last week that addressed the transmission filter change on his C8. The Corvette tech at Coughlin said after the filter change you were directed to start the car and go thru all the gears so many times, shut the engine off and that you had 5 minutes to top off the fluid or you had to repeat the above.....I noticed the service bulletin above didn't mention any of that...guess Coughlin guys read it wrong LOL

If this is in reference to the service manual shots I posted above, yes, there are two procedures that must be performed before and after changing the DCT filter. And the level check procedure is correct as well.

Before changing the filter:

Hydraulic System Flush ProcedureDiagnostic InstructionsDescriptionThis procedure is used to flush the transmission fluid through the filtration system before a repair is performed that may have been caused by debris in the fluid.

The following will occur when the scan tool control is enabled: Engine Speed = 2,000 RPM & Line Pressure = Increase — For 8 min
When to Perform the ProcedureNote: Do NOT perform this procedure unless directed here from another procedure.

Perform this procedure before servicing the component: T12 Automatic Transmission
Conditions for Running the Procedure
  • DTCs related to the following system/component = Not Set
    • K71 Transmission Control Module
    • T12 Automatic Transmission
  • Brake Pedal = Applied
  • Engine = Running
  • Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor = Warmer than 50°C (122°F)
  • Transmission Range = P or N
  • Vehicle Speed = 0 km/h (0 MPH)
Reference InformationScan Tool ReferenceControl Module References
With Scan ToolNote: Do NOT perform this procedure unless directed here from another procedure.
  1. Ignition » On / Vehicle » In Service Mode
  2. Select: Module Diagnostics
  3. Select: K71 Transmission Control Module
  4. Select: Configuration/Reset Functions
  5. Select: Hydraulic System Flush Procedure
  6. Follow the instructions on the scan tool. The procedure will complete within 8 min
Repair InstructionsPerform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the repair: Diagnostic Repair Verification
After the filter change:

Hydraulic System Leak TestDiagnostic InstructionsDescriptionThis procedure is used to test the transmission for leaks after a repair.

The following will occur when the scan tool control is enabled: Engine Speed = 2,000 RPM & Line Pressure = Increase — For 1 min
When to Perform the ProcedureNote: Do NOT perform this procedure unless directed here from another procedure.

Perform this procedure when the following component has been serviced: T12 Automatic Transmission
Conditions for Running the Procedure
  • DTCs related to the following system/component = Not Set
    • K71 Transmission Control Module
    • T12 Automatic Transmission
  • Engine = Running
  • Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor = Warmer than 50°C (122°F)
  • Transmission Range = P or N
  • Vehicle Speed = 0 km/h (0 MPH)
Reference InformationScan Tool ReferenceControl Module References
With Scan ToolNote: Do NOT perform this procedure unless directed here from another procedure.
  1. Ignition » On / Vehicle » In Service Mode
  2. Select: Module Diagnostics
  3. Select: K71 Transmission Control Module
  4. Select: Configuration/Reset Functions
  5. Select: Hydraulic System Leak Test
  6. Follow the instructions on the scan tool. The procedure will complete within 1 min
Repair InstructionsPerform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the repair: Diagnostic Repair Verification
Fluid level check:

Transmission Fluid Level and Condition Check
Fluid Level Check ProcedureWarning: The transmission fluid level must be checked when the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) is between 20–40°C (68–104°F). If the TFT is not within this range, either idle or brake torque the vehicle to raise the fluid temperature, or shut off the vehicle to allow the fluid to cool as required. Setting the fluid level with a TFT outside this range will result in either an under or over-filled transmission. TFT greater than 40°C=under-filled, TFT less than 20°C=over-filled. An under-filled transmission will cause premature component wear or damage. An over-filled transmission will cause fluid to discharge out the vent tube, possibly causing a fire that may result in serious bodily injury or severe vehicle damage, fluid foaming, or pump cavitation.
  1. Start and idle the engine with the A/C turned off.
  2. Run vehicle for 3 to 5 minutes while selecting drive and reverse to fill the clutch circuits. To properly fill the circuits place foot on brake, shift into drive for 30 to 45 seconds then shift into reverse for 30 to 45 seconds then repeat.
  3. Stop the engine and perform the following actions within 5 minutes after stopping the engine.
  4. Raise the vehicle on a hoist. The vehicle must be level with the shift selector in PARK range. Lifting and Jacking the Vehicle
  5. Note: To avoid rounding of the transmission oil filler plug, it is recommended using an appropriate 6 point metric socket or wrench.

    Caution: Use Fuchs TITAN EG FFL-4 TREMEC transmission fluid only. Failure to use the proper fluid may result in transmission internal damage.

    Note:
  6. During transmission manufacturing, the fluid is filled by volume and therefore, it could have a fluid level that is approximately 13mm (0.5 in) below the transmission oil filler plug.
  7. If more than 1 liter (1.06 quarts) of fluid drains from the transmission, the transmission may have been previously filled for track use.
  8. Note: To avoid rounding of the transmission oil filler plug, it is recommended using an appropriate 6 point metric socket or wrench.
  9. Place suitable drain pan under transmission.
  10. Transmission Oil Filler Plug (1) » Remove — Transmission Oil Filler or Drain Plug Replacement
  11. Fill or drain oil until oil level is at the bottom edge of the fill opening.
  12. Transmission Oil Filler Plug (1) » Install — Transmission Oil Filler or Drain Plug Replacement

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