That's interesting. I haven't lost to a M3P or Y yet. To Model S's yep for sure. But I admit we go past 60mph - because that is hit before you clear the intersection.
But even with the S's, thats only until we gotta do some tight twisties. Then its over.
Even in the "suburban curves": we have a lot of roundabouts where we live instead of 4 way stops, so I also make sure I don't do any spirited driving with a Tesla companion if one of these are approaching. There's a real chance they'll wreck. I've had two slide off the side trying to follow me thru the switch when I thought I wasn't even pushing it. They absolutely cannot do fast turning transitions, tight turns, or brake turning. At best they can hold a fast sweeper but even then you're scrubbing the s**t out of their tire life.

The flip side is, when you run into a Tech Bro Tesla driver - aka a jerk (and there are a lot where I live) - any time I want to troll one, I kite them into a roundabout. If they even manage to stay on the road I've left them long behind. Usually with them being completely startled at how bad the Tesla IT Dept didn't handle the driving duty for them like it does the launch for them. Shaken.

For our club days - up at Mid Ohio the 3/Y guys quit coming anytime they set up the short or tight circuits. It ain't the batteries, its the tires. One trading his back to a BMW M3, another kept his as a daily and got a clapped out Miata for club days. Which he even said turns way faster lap times than he ever got in the Tesla (he drives the Miata as a momentum car and is pretty dang good at it).

 

Why do these type of posts turn into **** shows? Reminds me of the Miata and Supra posts of the past.
Are these types of posts found on the Porsche forums or BMW forums or are all the trolls here on the Corvette forums?

 

Hmm, looked at my prior posts and there was zero reason for that stupid post! My response was to be a bit funny. Could have been as it would have back-in-the-day when we didn't have or need "safe spaces!"

 

Jerry.... Being 49-days shy of turning 81 I do NOT need a safe space.
Joel

 

^^^
Yep 40 days shy of 80 I don't either! Chuckle at those "younger folks" who could not deal with what we were happy to back in the day! Required a quick, usually nasty response. I try not to revert!

 

Back atcha!

 

So, as someone who currently has an arctic white 2020 Corvette 2LT w/ Z51 + magnetic selective ride control being shipped to me as a replacement for my Tesla Model 3 Performance I want to note a few things:

1) The big thing about the M3P is that it is 100% consistent. You don't need to have your car in a specific mode, utilize launch control, etc. If you have a decent charge, you can just stomp on it and go. 99% of the time you will get the rated 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

2) What this also means is the in most cases, even a mediocre or beginner driver regardless of situation can and will beat a stock C8 in a straight line. The instant torque of the dual motors as well as AWD makes the car a monster from a dig.

That's not to say there aren't issues:

1) Acceleration does have a distinct curve based on state of charge as well as battery temperature. If your charge is low or the battery is cold, the above two items do not apply.

2) These cars are heavy. I think the M3P feels pretty nimble for its weight and they actually have seen some success in autocross. However, you can't beat physics. They might require slower speeds into a curve, but most the time they are powering out of it faster. Some of this can be alleviated via a better suspension and tire setup. Mountain Pass Performance is a good company for that.

Now, as for me, I realize in some instances my C8 will be slower than the M3P it is replacing. But I also know that the C8 looks better, has better build quality, and isn't anywhere close to as boring.

I think that's a fair trade.

 

Well said, I traded my Tesla M3P for a Camaro ZL1 last year since I started to grow bored with the Tesla. The Tesla M3P is extremely quick at street speeds and does handle pretty well for its weight since the battery keeps the CG low. It makes for an excellent daily driver but it just doesn't tug at the heartstrings like a true performance car. When you remove sound, vibration, tire spin, gearing, etc. the driving experience becomes quite numb as there is no drama whatsoever. This is the my big concern moving forward as it relates to performance EVs. EVs are fine for typical commuter cars but I don't think many enthusiasts will love them long term. Once the instant torque novelty wears off there is not much left to enjoy. Maybe the fuel savings and the stereo since the cabin is so quiet. Anyway, if this stuff is forced on us moving forward hopefully manufacturers find a way to make the EV driving experiences engaging. I see Dodge is getting ready to reveal their eMuscle cars next month. They have a huge customer base to lose, hopefully they have something exciting that does not cost $100k and weight 8,000lbs with giant 120kW batteries.

 

Here is something to think about. A Tesla with a 100KWH battery will give 100 KW for 1 hr if you can discharge it completely and convert it at the motor with 100% efficiency. Sound reasonable? 100KW is 133HP. So a Tesla (or any other electric car) with this battery can make 133HP for 1 hr. OR, it could make more HP for less time. Like 1,333HP for 1/10 hr or 6 minutes. How fast and how far could you go in each situation? My daughter’s Veloster Turbo makes 200 HP and sips gas, with about a 15 gallon tank. The limiting factor with the Tesla is the battery. Specifically, total energy stored, time to recharge, and rate of discharge before overheating in the battery. I’m guessing that in a race that lasts over an hour and only using commercially available charging options, the Veloster will be the winner in any highway race over an hour long.

 

I only drove a Tesla once and I honestly have zero interest in them. I only drove it because a friend of mine wanted me to try it out because he loves his.
They are extremely ugly and the interior looks and feels blah. There is absolutely no excitement driving it even though it is very quick.
I own a 430 lb 200 hp snowmobile that will smoke both my C8 and any Tesla up to 100 plus mph. What does that mean? Just like a Tesla being fast from a dig it means nothing. The driving experience in the C8 is like nothing I have ever experienced before and I couldn’t care less about a Tesla or any other vehicle no matter how quick it is.
When I ordered my C8 I never gave any other vehicle a second thought. I wanted a C8 to replace my C7 and so far I’m very happy with my purchase.

 

Acceleration, don't even try to race a Tesla Plaid.
1000+ hp
0-60 2.1 with rollout
They run the 1/4 mile in low 9s at 150+
That means they do 0-150 in 9 seconds.

I have a 2015 Porsche 911 Turbo S cabriolet stock 560hp (I have 3" exhaust now and a tune coming soon, but no new data), I can probably do 0-150 in 17 seconds.
On my dragy I have done 0-60 in 2.71 with a 1.63 60' on all-season radials on an unprepped street.
1/4 mile time for my car is approx,10.8@126-127 stock - My 2015 has smaller Turbos compared to the 2017s which are much faster stock and modified.

I have a friend with the exact same car as mine and a Tesla Plaid, he said the Tesla makes the Porsche seem slow.

A C8 corvette:
495hp
0-60 in 3.0 with rollout on a dragy on a good day
1/4 mile in 11.1@123 on a good day
0-150 in 19 seconds.

Would I want a Plaid over my car or a C8?
No!
Looks, no comparison, Vettes and Porsches are sports cars, the Tesla is a sedan.
I need to hear my cars and the Tesla has no sound.
Put exhaust on the Vette or Porsche and the soundtrack is worth the drive at any speed.

Of course the Tesla Plaid won't hear or see us as we will be little dots in the rear view mirror, lol, but I still don't care.

I am planning on a Stage 4 build in the future, but the Tesla will still eat me for lunch unless I run meth injection and race fuel, both things I don't plan on doing.
If I can run low 10s at 138 on street tires on 93 octane I will be happy.
Even just a tune on top of my exhaust will put me at mid-high 10s at upper 129-131 and that is probably good enough for me.
There is always somebody faster.

 

Let’s stay on track and refrain from the arguing and personal attacks.
Riding in the Plaid was a blast -amazing straight line 0-60 and technology but that’s it .