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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 12:02 PM
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I must say that I feel liked I've owned nearly every color in the visible light spectrum, and the Soul Red on my MX-5 is my runaway #1 favorite of all time. It's a dead-ringer for that C8 picture in the OP and just above this post.

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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 12:22 PM
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Much better than "torch orange" they originally teased. Who knows until it actually is seen in person, though.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
I must say that I've owned every color in the rainbow, and the Soul Red on my MX-5 is my runaway #1 favorite of all time. It's a dead-ringer for that C8 picture in the OP and just above this post.
When the replacement for LBR was rumored before the Bash, I asked a certain someone at GM if there were any existing cars in GM's lineup that were painted with it. He said there weren't, but the Mazda was a close enough approximation.

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I think if GM goes though with it, the sales both new and used should set some kind of record!!!
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jvp
When the replacement for LBR was rumored before the Bash, I asked a certain someone at GM if there were any existing cars in GM's lineup that were painted with it. He said there weren't, but the Mazda was a close enough approximation.
I'd say that's pretty definitive. The car world has acknowledged Mazda hit a home run with that color, and something very similar is being copied by manufacturers other than GM as well, as evidenced by the McLaren picture above.

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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
I'd say that's pretty definitive.
And probably good encouragement to stop wasting brain cycles debating it with, uh, that other guy. ;-)
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 12:54 PM
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The photo of the red C8 has been photographically altered. A filter was applied that darkened the photo dramatically. This is apparent looking at everything else in the photo. This means that the actual color will be a much brighter hue than shown. Why would they do this? Why not show the actual color instead of masking it? Wouldn't be surprised if this color is actually much closer to Torch Red than it is to LBR.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MMD
The photo of the red C8 has been photographically altered. A filter was applied that darkened the photo dramatically. This is apparent looking at everything else in the photo. This means that the actual color will be a much brighter hue than shown. Why would they do this? Why not show the actual color instead of masking it? Wouldn't be surprised if this color is actually much closer to Torch Red than it is to LBR.
Well that's interesting. Wonder why someone would do that.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:17 PM
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If this is true of what you are speculating then it doesn't make sense for GM to do this. Hopefully the color is close to the Mazda or McLaren. I have narrowed my decision to the red mist and silver flare. I think we do have an idea of what the silver flare looks like. Maybe the color is between the long beach red and torch red.
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It looks nothing like Torch Red... torch red is GM's bread and butter bright red. It's a dark cherry red, but not as burgundy as LBR. It's going to be close to C5 Magnetic Red or the Mazda Red.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Yammyhaha
Well that's interesting. Wonder why someone would do that.
I can only speculate. The Mazda color is apparently very appealing to many. The photo GM presented was altered to make it look similar to the Mazda color to create interest. I'm afraid when you see the actual color in bright sun it will be closer to torch red. Ya think GM will retire torch red soon??? Maybe.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MMD
I'm afraid when you see the actual color in bright sun it will be closer to torch red. Ya think GM will retire torch red soon??? Maybe.
Nope. Torch Red isn't going anywhere, and as Tadge told me at Carlisle last year, "We're always going to have a car in the `Candy Apple Red' color space." Meaning always having a second red.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MMD
The photo of the red C8 has been photographically altered. A filter was applied that darkened the photo dramatically. This is apparent looking at everything else in the photo. This means that the actual color will be a much brighter hue than shown. Why would they do this? Why not show the actual color instead of masking it? Wouldn't be surprised if this color is actually much closer to Torch Red than it is to LBR.
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I can only speculate. The Mazda color is apparently very appealing to many. The photo GM presented was altered to make it look similar to the Mazda color to create interest. I'm afraid when you see the actual color in bright sun it will be closer to torch red. Ya think GM will retire torch red soon??? Maybe.
OK, but if they altered the photo to entice people, why not just paint the car that color because they know it is very popular based upon Mazda's experience and what others are now doing? It isn't hard to find the Mazda Soul Red formula. Any halfway decent body and paint shop is doing it, and that color has been around for several years now.

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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:56 PM
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Looking at the picture again it is clear that the blue sky is a darker blue than reality. The photo looked authentic, but at the same time almost computer generated. Regardless, until someone gets a good unadulterated outdoor shot we are still left guessing.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RapidC84B
It looks nothing like Torch Red... torch red is GM's bread and butter bright red. It's a dark cherry red, but not as burgundy as LBR. It's going to be close to C5 Magnetic Red or the Mazda Red.
Definetly not anything close to Mazda's "Soul Red Crystal" paint. That is apparently clear. If you study the photo it is a very bright sunny day. Look at all elements in the photo background. They are all muted and dark. Actual pavement doesn't look that dark on a bright summer day. Have to ask why was the photo darkened? If the photo was not altered the car paint in the photo would show a much brighter hue.
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Nope. Torch Red isn't going anywhere, and as Tadge told me at Carlisle last year, "We're always going to have a car in the `Candy Apple Red' color space." Meaning always having a second red.
I am not a marketeer but I have to believe that this new color will be drawing prospective torch red buyers away from that color than any other color offered in the lineup. It doesn't make much sense to offer 2 paints in the same MY that are of similar hue. I suspect this new color will eventually phase out torch red.

Here, I applied a photo filter to what I think the actual color would look like on a bright sunny day.




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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MMD
I suspect this new color will eventually phase out torch red.
I have a sizable paycheck that I'll drop as a bet with you on that one.
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I have a sizable paycheck that I'll drop as a bet with you on that one.
These 2 colors are closely aligned. Doesn't make sense GM would offer 2 competing colors.
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These 2 colors are closely aligned. Doesn't make sense GM would offer 2 competing colors.
You're totally basing that opinion on your poorly-edited photo, and not quite grasping how cameras meter and adjust their exposure settings accordingly. Your edited photo blew out the shadows on the car completely, which were very present and properly done in the GM-provided shot. It's a blazingly sunny day in that shot, probably 2-3PM given the angle of the shadows (or 10-11AM depending on which way is N). You can clearly see the car's color in the fender and the door curves that are facing upward, versus the shadows caused by the same body panels and the entire roof/windshield line.
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Originally Posted by jvp
You're totally basing that opinion on your poorly-edited photo, and not quite grasping how cameras meter and adjust their exposure settings accordingly. Your edited photo blew out the shadows on the car completely, which were very present and properly done in the GM-provided shot. It's a blazingly sunny day in that shot, probably 2-3PM given the angle of the shadows (or 10-11AM depending on which way is N). You can clearly see the car's color in the fender and the door curves that are facing upward, versus the shadows caused by the same body panels and the entire roof/windshield line.
The shadows you refer to in the original photo are much to dark for a summer high-noon photo. I understand how cameras meter when performing auto exposures. On a summer day the shadows would be nowhere as dark as presented in the original photo. I'm sure the original photo was altered ex post facto. I believe it is hard for anyone to argue that the new color hue is closer to LBR than it is torch red. I suspect GM will phase out torch red but it will be done with some overlapping of the 2 colors. It probably be done in a similar manner to how blade silver eventually phased out sterling blue (which was a bluish silver). Hold on to that paycheck of yours. You could use it for a down payment on the upcoming Z06.
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