Ceramic and rain spots?
#1
Racer
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Ceramic and rain spots?
So after having Ceramic Pro and Clear Bra installed. I left my car our of the garage for one night by mistake, my sprinklers hit the hood and rear corner during the night. Next day the water dried and left some water spots. I contacted ceramic pro company on FB for suggestions. They recommended a vinegar water solution. It did not work.
I understand that the ceramic pro is not supposed to be polished. What can I do?
I understand that the ceramic pro is not supposed to be polished. What can I do?
#2
Le Mans Master
Yikes. One of the reasons I don't use ceramic coatings---can't do any polishing. I would look into specific water spot removal products. Not sure if any of them are okay or not for ceramic coatings, though. 3D, Nanoskin, and Chemical Guys have such products. I think every company offers something similar.
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#3
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Meguiars ultimate compound I've used it on opticoat for same reason. Did nothing to the ceramic coating.
if something as non abrasive as meguiars ultimate takes ceramic pro off? Theres a problem.
if something as non abrasive as meguiars ultimate takes ceramic pro off? Theres a problem.
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https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-coatings.html
Opti-Coat removal:
https://www.autopia.org/forums/waxes...-opticoat.html
Last edited by FYRARMS; 08-20-2018 at 04:48 PM.
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I was wondering if someone in the know could elaborate a little on the topic of ceramic and water spots. I was under the impression, possibly the wrong impression, that ceramic was like the ultimate paint protection AND a way to make your paint pop. According to this post if it gets wet it will spot. Not adding up for me. Does that mean I have to dry the car every time it gets wet to prevent spotting?
I was planning to have the ceramic done this week but might have to do a bit more research.
I was planning to have the ceramic done this week but might have to do a bit more research.
#7
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Does that mean I have to dry the car every time it gets wet to prevent spotting?
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#8
Racer
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Called Chemical Guys and Griots Garage. Griots says they do not have anything that will remove the spots with Ceramic pro on the car. The Chemical Guys say they have a calcium remover but no garentee it wont remove the ceramic pro.
#9
I probably didn’t explain myself very well in my previous post. My issue isn’t that the ceramic can water spot, it’s that the spots apparently are very difficult to remove.
If I keep my car waxed and it gets water spots they can be removed rather easily. Remove the wax and re-coat. It seems that water spots will “etch” ceramic much the same as they etch paint. Does anyone wax over ceramic?
If I keep my car waxed and it gets water spots they can be removed rather easily. Remove the wax and re-coat. It seems that water spots will “etch” ceramic much the same as they etch paint. Does anyone wax over ceramic?
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Does anyone wax over ceramic?
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I probably didn’t explain myself very well in my previous post. My issue isn’t that the ceramic can water spot, it’s that the spots apparently are very difficult to remove.
If I keep my car waxed and it gets water spots they can be removed rather easily. Remove the wax and re-coat. It seems that water spots will “etch” ceramic much the same as they etch paint. Does anyone wax over ceramic?
If I keep my car waxed and it gets water spots they can be removed rather easily. Remove the wax and re-coat. It seems that water spots will “etch” ceramic much the same as they etch paint. Does anyone wax over ceramic?
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STOP!!!
A simple wash with Gyeon's Water Spot Remover will solve the problem. This happens sometimes with ceramics. It is not a big deal, no need for buffing, Ceramics are the only way to go, do they have some idiosyncrasies, yes, but then so does any product.But in my professional opinion, ceramics are the only way to go.
In fact, I am thinking about starting up a new detailing business and just doing ceramics only, in Southern California, as I have a non-compete agreement in Northern California,but they are an amazing product.
Is there snake oil out there, you bet. I see a ton of junk ceramics advertised, but if it is advertised on FB, you can be assured it is junk.
A simple wash with Gyeon's Water Spot Remover will solve the problem. This happens sometimes with ceramics. It is not a big deal, no need for buffing, Ceramics are the only way to go, do they have some idiosyncrasies, yes, but then so does any product.But in my professional opinion, ceramics are the only way to go.
In fact, I am thinking about starting up a new detailing business and just doing ceramics only, in Southern California, as I have a non-compete agreement in Northern California,but they are an amazing product.
Is there snake oil out there, you bet. I see a ton of junk ceramics advertised, but if it is advertised on FB, you can be assured it is junk.
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Exactly why I choose not to use ceramic coatings. It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to do any spot corrections without having to strip and recoat the vehicle. Screw that. If I get a scuff/scratch/water spot on a body panel, I can polish it out and re-seal/re-wax it in a jiffy.
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#14
Did you get the water spots within the week of getting it coated? Do pick up a water spot remover from carpro, gyeon, or other companies that also offer coatings. Vinegar/water solutions are a good homemade solution for water spots, but sometimes these products do work better. good luck!
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I have switched over to retail coatings for all of my vehicles. Specifically the Gyeon products for polishing, coating, and bucket washing. Each vehicle annually gets a polish with Q2M Primer and a DA, and then hand-applied CanCoat. Applying the CanCoat is about as much effort as using a spray wax. Essentially a strip and coat effort. These are basic and easy to apply non-pro products offered by Gyeon. Maintain with Q2M Bathe+ when grimy. Durability not as great as the pro-only products, but the protection and gloss is evident at the end of the year. The daily drivers get rain, snow and salt throughout the year depending on the season. Specific to this thread - no water spotting, period,
For detail spray a light mix of CarPro Reload and CarPro EcH2O mixed in distilled water offers lubricity and helps maintain the coating, as well as the appearance I'm looking for (and it's inexpensive).
For detail spray a light mix of CarPro Reload and CarPro EcH2O mixed in distilled water offers lubricity and helps maintain the coating, as well as the appearance I'm looking for (and it's inexpensive).
#16
Not to drift here but I just spent all last week paint correcting my metallic black daily driver. I use a product called Glare and it satisfies my needs for what I'm looking for in paint correction. I'm so burnt out right now going over the car 3 times that I'm not real excited to polish any car in the near future. I know ceramic is the best thing for it after this process but I just can't bring myself to do it from extreme burnout. I usually get a year out of the Glare before it's time to reapply next fall from driving in all the seasons till next year. I'm hoping in the future that ceramics advance to ease the application/removal process. Only time will tell.
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STOP!!!
A simple wash with Gyeon's Water Spot Remover will solve the problem. This happens sometimes with ceramics. It is not a big deal, no need for buffing, Ceramics are the only way to go, do they have some idiosyncrasies, yes, but then so does any product.But in my professional opinion, ceramics are the only way to go.
In fact, I am thinking about starting up a new detailing business and just doing ceramics only, in Southern California, as I have a non-compete agreement in Northern California,but they are an amazing product.
Is there snake oil out there, you bet. I see a ton of junk ceramics advertised, but if it is advertised on FB, you can be assured it is junk.
A simple wash with Gyeon's Water Spot Remover will solve the problem. This happens sometimes with ceramics. It is not a big deal, no need for buffing, Ceramics are the only way to go, do they have some idiosyncrasies, yes, but then so does any product.But in my professional opinion, ceramics are the only way to go.
In fact, I am thinking about starting up a new detailing business and just doing ceramics only, in Southern California, as I have a non-compete agreement in Northern California,but they are an amazing product.
Is there snake oil out there, you bet. I see a ton of junk ceramics advertised, but if it is advertised on FB, you can be assured it is junk.
#18
I've tried both gyeon and carpro water spot remover. They work equally well in my opinion. Used it on a car that got snowed/rained on the night it was picked up after ceramic coating. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
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#19
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Hard water is what caused these water spots. Irrigation, Well Water, or water that some U.S. counties unfortunately have to use from there tap. Here in Greenville SC our water hardness out of tap runs about 43ppm on average, we still detail with deionized water and our system will produce roughly 16,000 gallons of water. Unfortunately it wouldn't have mattered if your car was coated with Ceramic Pro, Gtechniq, Opti Coat, Cquartz, Igl, or NO COATING at all, Hard water would have left mineral stains and possibly etching. Welcome to earth, where our environment is harsh.
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I agree with Grzldvt1. CarPro Spotless should take car of you. The downfall to ceramic coating is they water spot somewhat easily. Simple solution? Park out of the rain. For those without that ability? Just don't let standing water bake on your car in hot temps (even if your car isn't coated) . Even letting my daily sit outside in the rain, water spots would come off with a simple wash. Most will come out with ease, for the few stubborn ones just get Spotless.
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