9.50 index rule suggestions and general smack talk thread
11-10-2010, 10:19 AM
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9.50 index rule suggestions and general smack talk thread
OK, here's my go on it.
As a sponsor of the event, I'm at all the events I can make, so I would like to see a full season, not five races. Plus there are few other people that would be new to the class that we are getting in the shop now that are going to want a full season too I would think.
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
3000lb weight requirement.
I don't care about head lights, windows, etc etc etc, just meet weight, the rest is just BS.
11 race series, same as the challenge and last season, unless you are in the points from day one, you cannot enter into the last three races unless you have been in two other races prior. This eliminates the stacking of the deck we saw this year. I doubt RP would go for that, but since there were little to no ethics towards the end of this season, some kind of rule needs to be in place.
Thats all I can think of at this time, I'm sure other things will come up as the discussion progresses.
Now just to make this perfectly clear, I am not interested in entering into a class were the biggest scum bag wins. I can call friends with eight second mid years to come and stack the deck too, thats not my idea of racing. I'm looking for clean racing, and may the best driver and car win. I respect the Competitive wiring team as racers, but frankly I dont believe a word you say, so the rules need to be cut and dry or forget it.
Hopefully we can keep the 9.5 class as tight racing, and friendly competition like the 10.5 and 11.5, after all this is supposed to be fun.
As a sponsor of the event, I'm at all the events I can make, so I would like to see a full season, not five races. Plus there are few other people that would be new to the class that we are getting in the shop now that are going to want a full season too I would think.
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
3000lb weight requirement.
I don't care about head lights, windows, etc etc etc, just meet weight, the rest is just BS.
11 race series, same as the challenge and last season, unless you are in the points from day one, you cannot enter into the last three races unless you have been in two other races prior. This eliminates the stacking of the deck we saw this year. I doubt RP would go for that, but since there were little to no ethics towards the end of this season, some kind of rule needs to be in place.
Thats all I can think of at this time, I'm sure other things will come up as the discussion progresses.
Now just to make this perfectly clear, I am not interested in entering into a class were the biggest scum bag wins. I can call friends with eight second mid years to come and stack the deck too, thats not my idea of racing. I'm looking for clean racing, and may the best driver and car win. I respect the Competitive wiring team as racers, but frankly I dont believe a word you say, so the rules need to be cut and dry or forget it.
Hopefully we can keep the 9.5 class as tight racing, and friendly competition like the 10.5 and 11.5, after all this is supposed to be fun.
11-10-2010, 11:39 AM
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OK, here's my go on it.
As a sponsor of the event, I'm at all the events I can make, so I would like to see a full season, not five races. Plus there are few other people that would be new to the class that we are getting in the shop now that are going to want a full season too I would think.
this is a race in a race series. only 5 races will count for the teams. i do not care about the season championship
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
leave it at 9.50
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
.400 tree. deep stage is fine as long as autostart is on....on 2nd thought , why don't we just make it a foot race, no car.u just need a CORVETTE Tshirt
u guys are miss led thinking r/t comes from a lite car
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
we agree
3000lb weight requirement.
Shen is lite of 3000lbs but if you look at his lites , they are almost as bad as Jay's
I don't care about head lights, windows, etc etc etc, just meet weight, the rest is just BS.
we agree
11 race series, same as the challenge and last season, unless you are in the points from day one, you cannot enter into the last three races unless you have been in two other races prior. This eliminates the stacking of the deck we saw this year. I doubt RP would go for that, but since there were little to no ethics towards the end of this season, some kind of rule needs to be in place.
I am not running 11 weekends, not going to happen. You ,Jay, Dave vs Wayne , Dave ,Me . we pick 5 races in the 11 , we all can be there. if you keep wanting 11 races , for the TEAM races points, i'm out, sorry guys. i want it over in 3
Thats all I can think of at this time, I'm sure other things will come up as the discussion progresses.
no cry babys please
Now just to make this perfectly clear, I am not interested in entering into a class were the biggest scum bag wins. I can call friends with eight second mid years to come and stack the deck too, thats not my idea of racing. I'm looking for clean racing, and may the best driver and car win. I respect the Competitive wiring team as racers, but frankly I dont believe a word you say, so the rules need to be cut and dry or forget it.
why haven't you called all of your friends all of these years to race us.......We have more friends too. but lets keep it fair like u just said .... 3 vs 3 for a team championship, 5 races . all others are welcome to play in these 5 races also
Hopefully we can keep the 9.5 class as tight racing, and friendly competition like the 10.5 and 11.5, after all this is supposed to be fun.
As a sponsor of the event, I'm at all the events I can make, so I would like to see a full season, not five races. Plus there are few other people that would be new to the class that we are getting in the shop now that are going to want a full season too I would think.
this is a race in a race series. only 5 races will count for the teams. i do not care about the season championship
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
leave it at 9.50
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
.400 tree. deep stage is fine as long as autostart is on....on 2nd thought , why don't we just make it a foot race, no car.u just need a CORVETTE Tshirt
u guys are miss led thinking r/t comes from a lite car All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
we agree
3000lb weight requirement.
Shen is lite of 3000lbs but if you look at his lites , they are almost as bad as Jay's
I don't care about head lights, windows, etc etc etc, just meet weight, the rest is just BS.
we agree
11 race series, same as the challenge and last season, unless you are in the points from day one, you cannot enter into the last three races unless you have been in two other races prior. This eliminates the stacking of the deck we saw this year. I doubt RP would go for that, but since there were little to no ethics towards the end of this season, some kind of rule needs to be in place.
I am not running 11 weekends, not going to happen. You ,Jay, Dave vs Wayne , Dave ,Me . we pick 5 races in the 11 , we all can be there. if you keep wanting 11 races , for the TEAM races points, i'm out, sorry guys. i want it over in 3
Thats all I can think of at this time, I'm sure other things will come up as the discussion progresses.
no cry babys please
Now just to make this perfectly clear, I am not interested in entering into a class were the biggest scum bag wins. I can call friends with eight second mid years to come and stack the deck too, thats not my idea of racing. I'm looking for clean racing, and may the best driver and car win. I respect the Competitive wiring team as racers, but frankly I dont believe a word you say, so the rules need to be cut and dry or forget it.
why haven't you called all of your friends all of these years to race us.......We have more friends too. but lets keep it fair like u just said .... 3 vs 3 for a team championship, 5 races . all others are welcome to play in these 5 races also
Hopefully we can keep the 9.5 class as tight racing, and friendly competition like the 10.5 and 11.5, after all this is supposed to be fun.
11-10-2010, 12:13 PM
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I prefer 3,200 pounds min and am still well over that. It takes more torque to start moving my 800 extra lbs off the line - simple physics: Weight, among other factors, does effect R/T.
If all other things were equal, then how does weight matter? Well, according to Newton's Second Law of Motion, F=M*A (Force = Mass times acceleration). It logically follows that as mass goes up, accelaration will decline. Force in this case equals torque.
So, maybe Sir Isaac Newton was misled, but I tend to believe him :-)
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11-10-2010, 02:08 PM
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No prob on the bet... Cookies are good too.
I prefer 3,200 pounds min and am still well over that. It takes more torque to start moving my 1600+ extra lbs off the line than a car that's 3/4 ton lighter - simple physics: Weight, among other factors, does effect R/T.
If all other things were equal, then how does weight matter? Well, according to Newton's Second Law of Motion, F=M*A (Force = Mass times acceleration). It logically follows that as mass goes up, accelaration will decline. Force in this case equals torque.
So, maybe Sir Isaac Newton was misled, but I tend to believe him :-)
I prefer 3,200 pounds min and am still well over that. It takes more torque to start moving my 1600+ extra lbs off the line than a car that's 3/4 ton lighter - simple physics: Weight, among other factors, does effect R/T.
If all other things were equal, then how does weight matter? Well, according to Newton's Second Law of Motion, F=M*A (Force = Mass times acceleration). It logically follows that as mass goes up, accelaration will decline. Force in this case equals torque.
So, maybe Sir Isaac Newton was misled, but I tend to believe him :-)
Shen is about 2800lb & racing with us for years & years....change the rules to hurt him. Shen only needs less power to run the number. it does not help him with his lights . u should know that Dave better then anyone.....Shen has had the same motor in the car for over 5 years, no MAJOR mishaps.......longer i think.
if ur so heavy .... thats on u.....lose some lbs if thats all what it takes to kill the tree.....simple fix Dave. How heavy are u? 4300lbs by ur math
....does SirIsaac tune your car too..... j/k no jabs.just so you know i was at 3175lb easy, when we raced
...factlet the guys have their say...... c where it goes
11-10-2010, 03:04 PM
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.400 tree. deep stage is fine as long as autostart is on....on 2nd thought , why don't we just make it a foot race, no car.u just need a CORVETTE Tshirt u guys are miss led thinking r/t comes from a lite car
I'm lighter then you, I think I can run faster. I'm not saying a heavier car cannot RT fast, it just takes more power/converter/etc to make it do it then a lighter car. Remember, you guys have race cars, but this supposed to be a street class. So the field has to be equalised for a street car entering that cannot get out of the hole as fast as a lighter race car. I do not plan on deep staging, or anyone on our team that I know of, so no point in discussing any farther.
3000lb weight requirement.
Shen is lite of 3000lbs but if you look at his lites , they are almost as bad as Jay's
your rough. I didnt know he was that light, well I certainly do not want to make him add weight, the thinking was more so we do not have 2600lb race cars showing up on these days that are not in the points etc. Again, to ensure a cut and dry rule. Maybe we agree on a "grand father clause" for an excisting racer?
I am not running 11 weekends, not going to happen. You ,Jay, Dave vs Wayne , Dave ,Me . we pick 5 races in the 11 , we all can be there. if you keep wanting 11 races , for the TEAM races points, i'm out, sorry guys. i want it over in 3
ok, we have time to figure that out.
why haven't you called all of your friends all of these years to race us.......We have more friends too. but lets keep it fair like u just said .... 3 vs 3 for a team championship, 5 races . all others are welcome to play in these 5 races also
I've asked several times, the pay out is to small, but I never approached them as a "can you do me a favor".
just for fun & 1000 cookies
Exactly, If I cant go grab a beer with the guys I just raced with afterwards, I'll find other groups to race with.
Shen is about 2800lb & racing with us for years & years....change the rules to hurt him. Shen only needs less power to run the number. it does not help him with his lights . u should know that Dave better then anyone.....Shen has had the same motor in the car for over 5 years, no MAJOR mishaps.......longer i think.
No need to dig on his rod breaking, Jay had the same street car build in his car for five years too, Daves lasted 2-3 yrs, thats life. I dont look down on you for having a rocker break the other week.
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I'm lighter then you, I think I can run faster.
I'm not saying a heavier car cannot RT fast, it just takes more power/converter/etc to make it do it then a lighter car. Remember, you guys have race cars, but this supposed to be a street class. So the field has to be equalised for a street car entering that cannot get out of the hole as fast as a lighter race car. I do not plan on deep staging, or anyone on our team that I know of, so no point in discussing any farther. 3000lb weight requirement.
Shen is lite of 3000lbs but if you look at his lites , they are almost as bad as Jay's
your rough. I didnt know he was that light, well I certainly do not want to make him add weight, the thinking was more so we do not have 2600lb race cars showing up on these days that are not in the points etc. Again, to ensure a cut and dry rule. Maybe we agree on a "grand father clause" for an excisting racer? I am not running 11 weekends, not going to happen. You ,Jay, Dave vs Wayne , Dave ,Me . we pick 5 races in the 11 , we all can be there. if you keep wanting 11 races , for the TEAM races points, i'm out, sorry guys. i want it over in 3
ok, we have time to figure that out.
why haven't you called all of your friends all of these years to race us.......We have more friends too. but lets keep it fair like u just said .... 3 vs 3 for a team championship, 5 races . all others are welcome to play in these 5 races also
I've asked several times, the pay out is to small, but I never approached them as a "can you do me a favor".
just for fun & 1000 cookies
Exactly, If I cant go grab a beer with the guys I just raced with afterwards, I'll find other groups to race with.
Shen is about 2800lb & racing with us for years & years....change the rules to hurt him. Shen only needs less power to run the number. it does not help him with his lights . u should know that Dave better then anyone.....Shen has had the same motor in the car for over 5 years, no MAJOR mishaps.......longer i think.
No need to dig on his rod breaking, Jay had the same street car build in his car for five years too, Daves lasted 2-3 yrs, thats life. I dont look down on you for having a rocker break the other week.
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It had two horsepower, but I heard every now and then his buddies would show up with 3 and 4 horse chariots to the track
There were also rumors of some of the horses being given steroids, and being fed a strict diet of amphetamines and exotic foods, while pulling chariots that had no interiors, curtains or seats, and still being called "street" chariots... But I digress... In all seriousness though, Dave is right; I am sure you realize if we take any car and start adding mass to it, it won't launch as quickly. This is actually true even if you add power to keep the power/weight ratio the same, though to a much lesser degree of course.
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11-10-2010, 03:37 PM
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Will a cartoon help?
http://teachertech.rice.edu/Particip...wton/law2.html
Sorry if my math were a bit off my my car weight. It was ~3600 lbs, running a 346 with a blower, against 2,800 lbs on a 383 with nitrous. It made top end strategy more interesting while putting a lot of strain on the little engine that could (and did).
I intend to keep my car "streetable" - So, there's no diet plan that will get me down to 2800 lbs.
http://teachertech.rice.edu/Particip...wton/law2.html
Sorry if my math were a bit off my my car weight. It was ~3600 lbs, running a 346 with a blower, against 2,800 lbs on a 383 with nitrous. It made top end strategy more interesting while putting a lot of strain on the little engine that could (and did).
I intend to keep my car "streetable" - So, there's no diet plan that will get me down to 2800 lbs.
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11-10-2010, 05:50 PM
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As a sponsor of the event, I'm at all the events I can make, so I would like to see a full season, not five races. Plus there are few other people that would be new to the class that we are getting in the shop now that are going to want a full season too I would think.
I enjoy running in a heads up all out class so to me it would be nice not to have the 9.50 or the 9.0 index during the qtp 8.. If it is the same as this year I will be running the qtp pro 8.. Heads up is in my blood!!
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
Im fine with either one..
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
I like the 400pt or the 500pt.. NO deep staging!! (go but a trans with a trans break)
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
Agree
3000lb weight requirement.
Dont agree.. Its index racing not heads up.. If your car runs the # then let it be.. We need more cars in the class..
I enjoy running in a heads up all out class so to me it would be nice not to have the 9.50 or the 9.0 index during the qtp 8.. If it is the same as this year I will be running the qtp pro 8.. Heads up is in my blood!!
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
Im fine with either one..
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
I like the 400pt or the 500pt.. NO deep staging!! (go but a trans with a trans break)
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
Agree
3000lb weight requirement.
Dont agree.. Its index racing not heads up.. If your car runs the # then let it be.. We need more cars in the class..
11-10-2010, 06:46 PM
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As a sponsor of the event, I'm at all the events I can make, so I would like to see a full season, not five races. Plus there are few other people that would be new to the class that we are getting in the shop now that are going to want a full season too I would think.
I enjoy running in a heads up all out class so to me it would be nice not to have the 9.50 or the 9.0 index during the qtp 8.. If it is the same as this year I will be running the qtp pro 8.. Heads up is in my blood!!
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
Im fine with either one..
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
I like the 400pt or the 500pt.. NO deep staging!! (go but a trans with a trans break)
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
Agree
3000lb weight requirement.
Dont agree.. Its index racing not heads up.. If your car runs the # then let it be.. We need more cars in the class..
I enjoy running in a heads up all out class so to me it would be nice not to have the 9.50 or the 9.0 index during the qtp 8.. If it is the same as this year I will be running the qtp pro 8.. Heads up is in my blood!!
I'm fine with it going to a 9.0 index, and would prefer that, but we can go off of a majority rule. I do not want to bump out any new guys that can run 9.5's, but not 9.0's.
Im fine with either one..
If the .400 tree stays, then so does deep staging to equalise the heavier cars. No deep staging, .500 tree, which takes the car out of the R/T, and leaves it all driver.
I like the 400pt or the 500pt.. NO deep staging!! (go but a trans with a trans break)
All cars must be certed to run 9.99 or quicker.
Agree
3000lb weight requirement.
Dont agree.. Its index racing not heads up.. If your car runs the # then let it be.. We need more cars in the class..
Glad to see your input Sonnie, so if the two are still on the same days, are you out for the 9.50 then?
The only reason why I'm for deep staging is the equalising, again, I do not deep stage, but for street car that needs to to cut a light, it has to be fair, and it's tough to go deep on auto start.
This class will be won or lost at the tree most of the time since every car so far can run much faster then the index. I dont want to deter a foot braker since we need car count.
11-10-2010, 07:23 PM
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11-10-2010, 08:04 PM
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Glad to see your input Sonnie, so if the two are still on the same days, are you out for the 9.50 then?
The only reason why I'm for deep staging is the equalising, again, I do not deep stage, but for street car that needs to to cut a light, it has to be fair, and it's tough to go deep on auto start.
This class will be won or lost at the tree most of the time since every car so far can run much faster then the index. I dont want to deter a foot braker since we need car count.
The only reason why I'm for deep staging is the equalising, again, I do not deep stage, but for street car that needs to to cut a light, it has to be fair, and it's tough to go deep on auto start.
This class will be won or lost at the tree most of the time since every car so far can run much faster then the index. I dont want to deter a foot braker since we need car count.
As it goes for deep staging.. I understand your point.. But If the racer is putting money in there car to make it a reliable 9.50 car then why would they not spend a hundred dollars or so to put a trans break in there car??
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11-10-2010, 09:48 PM
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so ur saying. u win the battle at the tree, it helps ur odds of winning greatly .
noooo shhit
11-11-2010, 12:17 AM
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That's key right there. Ellis, Tommy, Farley and Shay kicked my *** all over that track all season yet all of us (plus Doug and Steve) went straight to Friday's together after the race last Saturday.
I wonder if we'd all still go out afterwards if I eventually beat them someday?
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That's key right there. Ellis, Tommy, Farley and Shay kicked my *** all over that track all season yet all of us (plus Doug and Steve) went straight to Friday's together after the race last Saturday.
I wonder if we'd all still go out afterwards if I eventually beat them someday?
Wait I don't run 11.50s.
11-11-2010, 02:08 AM
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11-11-2010, 06:28 AM
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That's key right there. Ellis, Tommy, Farley and Shay kicked my *** all over that track all season yet all of us (plus Doug and Steve) went straight to Friday's together after the race last Saturday.
I wonder if we'd all still go out afterwards if I eventually beat them someday?
.. I only had time for 1, but the win/loss factor is left at the track... Ask Edgar...over the years of the CC.. most of the restructuring was designed on bar napkins
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Well the powers that be informed me that the 9.50 lost it's title sponsor, so as far as I see it, this class is done.
Time to look for other classes to run, hopefully they do not conflict with CC days.
Sonnie, the EFI heads up class is cool, but the problem I see with it is that next season it wont be heads up, it will be an 8.50 index class. Unless you plan on making your car 7.50 legal (which I do not at this time) the track is going to limit us. I'm sure your new combo will run better then 8.50, I'm confident mine will, Jay can in good weather, and the outcome will be a pissed off RP. It's like going back to the early days of the pro 8 again, which was fun then, but not again.
Time to look for other classes to run, hopefully they do not conflict with CC days.
Sonnie, the EFI heads up class is cool, but the problem I see with it is that next season it wont be heads up, it will be an 8.50 index class. Unless you plan on making your car 7.50 legal (which I do not at this time) the track is going to limit us. I'm sure your new combo will run better then 8.50, I'm confident mine will, Jay can in good weather, and the outcome will be a pissed off RP. It's like going back to the early days of the pro 8 again, which was fun then, but not again.