how many 10.0 guys will be totally legal for next year??
09-03-2008, 05:32 AM
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Yeah I would expect a fully legal car would want to run in 10.0 (and keep in mind there is no change at the moment...I am just gathering input)
I would think a fully caged car is going to be all over 10.0 and would want to play in 10.5. Mark is in the middle of rebuilding and he has stated he would go to 10.5 on his build. I would imagine a conservative non power adder motor that happens to sit in a car that ran 8.8s at one point with a totally different combination.
I would think a fully caged car is going to be all over 10.0 and would want to play in 10.5. Mark is in the middle of rebuilding and he has stated he would go to 10.5 on his build. I would imagine a conservative non power adder motor that happens to sit in a car that ran 8.8s at one point with a totally different combination.
09-03-2008, 11:31 AM
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Thats exactly what Rob used to do and it got old, so for $550 we set him up with EFI live so he could do it via computer. I would think a carbed car would be easier, just a turn of a set screw or linkage adjustment.
Either way if you made a mistake you can change it mid track so it's dialing in your car, the same as everyone else, which path you take is up to you. For my guys it was much easier to teach them that then to have them mess with timing etc etc.
I personally think I did a good job of getting my crew self sufficient with dialing in their cars and not having to rely on me to be there every time, it makes them more into the whole race scene IMO and that's what it's all about.
09-03-2008, 11:45 AM
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It CANNOT be changed mid track! The PCM must be flashed everytime a change or adjustment is made.
09-03-2008, 01:11 PM
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Thats exactly what Rob used to do and it got old, so for $550 we set him up with EFI live so he could do it via computer. I would think a carbed car would be easier, just a turn of a set screw or linkage adjustment.
Either way if you made a mistake you can change it mid track so it's dialing in your car, the same as everyone else, which path you take is up to you. For my guys it was much easier to teach them that then to have them mess with timing etc etc.
I personally think I did a good job of getting my crew self sufficient with dialing in their cars and not having to rely on me to be there every time, it makes them more into the whole race scene IMO and that's what it's all about.
Either way if you made a mistake you can change it mid track so it's dialing in your car, the same as everyone else, which path you take is up to you. For my guys it was much easier to teach them that then to have them mess with timing etc etc.
I personally think I did a good job of getting my crew self sufficient with dialing in their cars and not having to rely on me to be there every time, it makes them more into the whole race scene IMO and that's what it's all about.
In the begining of the year I used to look over at the Shen team and watch them make adjustments to the carb and I would stand there looking at my car wondering which screws to turn Then I started adding/deleting weight (bags of sand)
not every safe. Then I made wood shims for under the pedal ( not constant) Most of the time I would chase Doug around the track and have him adjust the timing with his computer (not fun) Now it's great, I can make tune adjustments myself and Doug is off the hook 
Bottom line is ECS raised the bar and made the DBW cars competitive which is a good thing, so us corvette guys can go out and maybe win at other events.
09-03-2008, 09:10 PM
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So to try and get us back on topic....
I only see 9 cars.
it could be 8. Mike are you saying both your cars are running 10.0 next year?
I am not really seeing all 9 on the list jumping up and saying they will run 10.0.
I am also not seeing enough cars to sustain a 16 car field all season.
So with that said, I would like to see all agree or disagree to the 10/10.5 proposal
I only see 9 cars.
it could be 8. Mike are you saying both your cars are running 10.0 next year?
I am not really seeing all 9 on the list jumping up and saying they will run 10.0.
I am also not seeing enough cars to sustain a 16 car field all season.
So with that said, I would like to see all agree or disagree to the 10/10.5 proposal
.lets talk the 9.0 -9.5 index class.........
09-03-2008, 09:43 PM
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How about you get the cars running 8.50 to go 9.0 or 9.50 with you and we still keep calling it what it is?
You have to tell me exactly what you mean with throttle stop. I know you always walk a slightly different line than me and I know you mean well.
If you are talking EFI live for the C5...have it it.
I don't know about your C4 though.
You have to tell me exactly what you mean with throttle stop. I know you always walk a slightly different line than me and I know you mean well.
If you are talking EFI live for the C5...have it it.
I don't know about your C4 though.
09-03-2008, 09:54 PM
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How about you get the cars running 8.50 to go 9.0 or 9.50 with you and we still keep calling it what it is?
You have to tell me exactly what you mean with throttle stop. I know you always walk a slightly different line than me and I know you mean well.
If you are talking EFI live for the C5...have it it.
I don't know about your C4 though.
You have to tell me exactly what you mean with throttle stop. I know you always walk a slightly different line than me and I know you mean well.
If you are talking EFI live for the C5...have it it.
I don't know about your C4 though.
works depending on what you want to do with it.
09-03-2008, 11:18 PM
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to the tuners & their racers for that. No crying or complaining from me! Just stating the obvious, nothing against anyone doing that....HONEST!The Nitrous driver in your example who ONLY took out hp, STILL has to figure out on his own how to run the #.
Same thing with the weight added. I believe Joe Latona took #1 qualifier in TWO classes by running the # on his own, (NO PCM tuning)so kuddos to him for doing it & showing it CAN be done!
As the rules are, I agree what guys are doing is legit, so I would never complain. Besides that, my performance in the 11.5 index thus far states that I'd do better trying to do better then to bitch about guys doing stuff perfectly within the rules! I'd be the 1st to admit that.
Again, I'm not hating on ANYONE or complaining!!!! I admire the guys for running their cars in different classes & F'ing with their tunes actually. Again, just stating facts.
Ron
09-03-2008, 11:25 PM
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Back on topic!
Ron
09-04-2008, 01:12 AM
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Insanity's list is a pipe dream. Tommy and I already told him we are not putting a caage in our cars. **** you guys all going 10.0x, great class, I step down and quick slowing you down. Eckert sold his car a month ago. Zona? doubt it. he did not even race yesterday. Conway and Monari...one of those cars goes 8.50 doesn't it.
I would like the see the three others come on here and commit.
I would like the see the three others come on here and commit.
09-04-2008, 05:15 AM
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[QUOTE=REDGAR;1566963261]How about you get the cars running 8.50 to go 9.0 or 9.50 with you and we still keep calling it what it is? /QUOTE]
Now were back to the Pro 8. I vote for making it a 9.0 or even a 9.5. We could have a similiar situation with the Pro 8 guys inadvertently running under 8.5 and violating the cage rules. I suspect RP would want that to cease.
I prefer 9.5 just as I do the 10.5 (although I like the compromise to keep the 10.0 a mix with 10.5 and have a run-off) to increase the participation.
Now were back to the Pro 8. I vote for making it a 9.0 or even a 9.5. We could have a similiar situation with the Pro 8 guys inadvertently running under 8.5 and violating the cage rules. I suspect RP would want that to cease.
I prefer 9.5 just as I do the 10.5 (although I like the compromise to keep the 10.0 a mix with 10.5 and have a run-off) to increase the participation.
09-04-2008, 07:55 AM
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Doc,
It isnt as easy as it looks. Especially with a supercharged car. The air temp, humidity and DA play a huge factor in trying to run a number. One minute 83% means 11.22, and 20 minutes later it means 11.40. Just like practicing with your car, we have to do the same. But when my car slows down due to the ambient air, I cannot shift at a higher RPM. Because I am ALL OUT, not holding anything back, and I have proven this two 11.5 indexes in a row by breaking out because the car went faster with no adjustments.
It isnt as easy as it looks. Especially with a supercharged car. The air temp, humidity and DA play a huge factor in trying to run a number. One minute 83% means 11.22, and 20 minutes later it means 11.40. Just like practicing with your car, we have to do the same. But when my car slows down due to the ambient air, I cannot shift at a higher RPM. Because I am ALL OUT, not holding anything back, and I have proven this two 11.5 indexes in a row by breaking out because the car went faster with no adjustments.
09-04-2008, 09:06 AM
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[QUOTE=markshaw70redBB;1566966599]
Although my first thought on slowing a class down is no, but you are 100% correct, we would have more participation if the classes were 10.5 and 9.5, and fields would be even tighter.
The 8.5 class has become a pocket book class for our league of racing, and the car count proves it. Plus like you said, people will start breaking out and we will be in the same place as the 10.0.
How about you get the cars running 8.50 to go 9.0 or 9.50 with you and we still keep calling it what it is? /QUOTE]
Now were back to the Pro 8. I vote for making it a 9.0 or even a 9.5. We could have a similiar situation with the Pro 8 guys inadvertently running under 8.5 and violating the cage rules. I suspect RP would want that to cease.
I prefer 9.5 just as I do the 10.5 (although I like the compromise to keep the 10.0 a mix with 10.5 and have a run-off) to increase the participation.
Now were back to the Pro 8. I vote for making it a 9.0 or even a 9.5. We could have a similiar situation with the Pro 8 guys inadvertently running under 8.5 and violating the cage rules. I suspect RP would want that to cease.
I prefer 9.5 just as I do the 10.5 (although I like the compromise to keep the 10.0 a mix with 10.5 and have a run-off) to increase the participation.
Although my first thought on slowing a class down is no, but you are 100% correct, we would have more participation if the classes were 10.5 and 9.5, and fields would be even tighter.
The 8.5 class has become a pocket book class for our league of racing, and the car count proves it. Plus like you said, people will start breaking out and we will be in the same place as the 10.0.
09-04-2008, 09:35 AM
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[QUOTE=DOUG @ ECS;1566967712]
Although my first thought on slowing a class down is no, but you are 100% correct, we would have more participation if the classes were 10.5 and 9.5, and fields would be even tighter. The 8.5 class has become a pocket book class for our league of racing, and the car count proves it. Plus like you said, people will start breaking out and we will be in the same place as the 10.0.
I've been saying that all along. For the few guys that are/will be legal, they can run in the 9.5 as well as the 10.5 Plus theres plenty of other 10.00 events in the NE.
Although my first thought on slowing a class down is no, but you are 100% correct, we would have more participation if the classes were 10.5 and 9.5, and fields would be even tighter. The 8.5 class has become a pocket book class for our league of racing, and the car count proves it. Plus like you said, people will start breaking out and we will be in the same place as the 10.0.
I've been saying that all along. For the few guys that are/will be legal, they can run in the 9.5 as well as the 10.5 Plus theres plenty of other 10.00 events in the NE.