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Old 12-23-2017, 12:06 PM
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Default Tax reform and my new ZR1

The White House gave some of us an early Christmas present yesterday. It may not have been the new ZR1 that I wanted but at least it will alleviate some of this CPA’s uncertainty going forward. These provisions will mostly be effective on January 1, 2018, so structure your year-end planning accordingly.

By the way, nothing in this post should be construed as tax advice. It is merely an educational communication.

Here are some of the individual tax highlights:

1. The highest individual tax rate is reduced from 39.6% to 37%.
2. The maximum deduction for real estate, personal property, state,
and sales tax combined is limited to $10,000. This particularly hurts
many taxpayers in high tax states, such as California.
3. The standard deduction almost doubles, but the personal
exemptions are repealed.
4. The estate tax wasn't repealed, but the estate tax exemption was
doubled.
5. The mortgage interest deduction is allowed for new mortgages up
to $750,000 down from $1,000,000 that was allowed under
previous law.
6. The interest expense on home equity loans is no longer deductible.


Since this new act hasn't been officially named yet do you think the White House will let me call it "The CPA Full Employment Act" ?

Happy Holidays to everyone and I'll be back on track after April 15th.

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Good info Chuck. Enjoy the new ride. Happy holidays.
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Thanks for the summary Chuck.........it will be ok for us, but we have some friends that will be negatively affected.
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Thanks for the summary Chuck.........it will be ok for us, but we have some friends that will be negatively affected.
Not to be political but I do not like the hype that it is a bill for the middle class. I agree with those that think it is a bill for the wealthy.
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Definitely helps the "ferrari folk" more than us "corvette folk"
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Originally Posted by Charles Gerughty
Not to be political but I do not like the hype that it is a bill for the middle class. I agree with those that think it is a bill for the wealthy.
Since this is in your area of expertise, I tend to believe you.......now the only question is, who are the wealthy? .......and am I one of them?
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I dont know many middle class people with $750K houses. All I know is my family with 2 kids will get allot back. $4K ish of my own money. I'm sure Jerry Brown and others will gladly raise the gas or tax something else.
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I dont know many middle class people with $750K houses. All I know is my family with 2 kids will get allot back. $4K ish of my own money. I'm sure Jerry Brown and others will gladly raise the gas or tax something else.
Since the deductions are for mortgages, that will imply that the homes are approaching $1M in order to have a $750K mortgage (assume 20% down).

Not uncommon around the bay area here.....sheesh!
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This vexes me to no end. I’m upper middle class and I’m bent over. I do not appreciate my taxes going up so that ivanka trump et al can inherit billions tax free. Worse they and the Uber rich get a reduction. Isn’t that a biatch. Sorry had to vent.
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Originally Posted by harrydirty
Since this is in your area of expertise, I tend to believe you.......now the only question is, who are the wealthy? .......and am I one of them?
I have never seen your tax return but if you are wealthy you are a very humble and gracious wealthy. Merry Christmas
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Originally Posted by harrydirty
Since the deductions are for mortgages, that will imply that the homes are approaching $1M in order to have a $750K mortgage (assume 20% down).

Not uncommon around the bay area here.....sheesh!
Good point. Even homes in the Linda Mar area of Pacifica are pushing a $1,000,000

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I dont know many middle class people with $750K houses. All I know is my family with 2 kids will get allot back. $4K ish of my own money. I'm sure Jerry Brown and others will gladly raise the gas or tax something else.
California does not have to comply with Federal tax laws and in several areas they do not. When I get some input on this I'll send out another post.

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Originally Posted by hungryhippo
Definitely helps the "ferrari folk" more than us "corvette folk"
I totally agree.
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Originally Posted by Charles Gerughty
California does not have to comply with Federal tax laws and in several areas they do not. When I get some input on this I'll send out another post.
Im sure.. California is doing a bash up job doing things their way. Enjoying the 12 cent gas tax I never voted for and that is getting wasted while they are planing to spend a billion+ for free heath care for illegals. . lol

If you have a Million dollar house no matter where its at that is a million dollar asset. Also. it sounds like there is a cap. As in you can write off a up to 10K but nothing after that which means you would not lose much unless your house is way over that. Either way I'm far from that =-/ . My bother bought a house in Fremont back in the 90s. 1400 sf. 3 bedroom 1950 old how for 200K and sold it 10 years ago for over 600K. I wouldn't feel too sorry.. for the middle class.
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I am interested to see what the facts are surrounding the new tax reform laws and how it will effect us. My brother is also an accountant and he cautioned us against believing anything you hear on the news. I think more people will benefit than what we've been led to believe.
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Originally Posted by RichieRichZ06
I am interested to see what the facts are surrounding the new tax reform laws and how it will effect us. My brother is also an accountant and he cautioned us against believing anything you hear on the news. I think more people will benefit than what we've been led to believe.
Happy Holidays Rich.

There are definite benefits in the law for most taxpayers yet there are perils for others. Each individual will experience different impacts from the new law yet my biggest issue is the spin that it mostly benefits the middle class. I am not being political but the major benefits go to Corporations and wealthy individuals. While I have disagreed with the AMT and Estate tax most of my middle class tax clients will not benefit from these changes.

A simple example is the typical family of 4 that uses the standard deduction. In 2017 they will get a standard deduction of $12,000 plus four exemptions of $4,050 totaling $28,200. In 2018 they get only the increased standard deduction of $24,000. Will this be made up by the reduced marginal tax rates? I don't know and won't be able to tell until I complete the tax return as each client's benefit or peril will be based on their individual facts and circumstances.

All the best - Chuck
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Originally Posted by Charles Gerughty
Happy Holidays Rich.

There are definite benefits in the law for most taxpayers yet there are perils for others. Each individual will experience different impacts from the new law yet my biggest issue is the spin that it mostly benefits the middle class. I am not being political but the major benefits go to Corporations and wealthy individuals. While I have disagreed with the AMT and Estate tax most of my middle class tax clients will not benefit from these changes.

A simple example is the typical family of 4 that uses the standard deduction. In 2017 they will get a standard deduction of $12,000 plus four exemptions of $4,050 totaling $28,200. In 2018 they get only the increased standard deduction of $24,000. Will this be made up by the reduced marginal tax rates? I don't know and won't be able to tell until I complete the tax return as each client's benefit or peril will be based on their individual facts and circumstances.

All the best - Chuck
I totally agree that it will depend on each situation. It will be interesting to see how it works out for most.

Happy New Year. I hope Santa was good to you.

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Well looks like I already benefited and it has not kicked in yet. Already got my $1000 bucks from AT&T as promised once Trump signed it. The sad part is some good people just got laid off, but that was in the works for a while. They have been planing and changing things for a while. Hell my job might not be around by 2020. Knowing my luck I'll probably lose it when the c8 comes out. haha
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Originally Posted by lostsoul
Well looks like I already benefited and it has not kicked in yet. Already got my $1000 bucks from AT&T as promised once Trump signed it. The sad part is some good people just got laid off, but that was in the works for a while. They have been planing and changing things for a while. Hell my job might not be around by 2020. Knowing my luck I'll probably lose it when the c8 comes out. haha
Just curious why did AT&T give you $1,000 when the bill was signed?
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I'm assuming to give back a little they will get back from the Fed's. Their rates are going to drop so much and they have been talking with big companies on tax plans for a while. Dont know if it was a semi deal or help pushed with the Unions. Either way they will get allot back. We will see what many of these companies do with it. If they can spread growth and stop the off shoring of cash as it was meant to do them things should be better. I just would rather see the laying of off people stop, till they have more of a transition plan. I'm just a peon so no one listens to me anyways. haha Also I'm still short the other 64K for my c8... ahhhhh

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