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Old 02-07-2019, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by USe-car View Post
Seems like the more that people write about disliking them, the more auto makers develop future models as electric. Most everything that I read is about converting to electric. All manufactures, all models. Both cars and trucks.
So true.

Seems most of those who dislike EVs are either super old luddites, or have some sort of political axe to grind........or both.

It's entertaining. Kinda dumb sometimes, but mildly entertaining.
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
How about the Bolt and the Leaf. Does GM and Nissan have free fast chargers all over the US for them? You can't charge them at a Tesla Supercharger, so you have to use someone else's charger, that charges a fee to cover their expenses and make a profit. Electrify America charges $0.30 to $O.35 per kilowatt hour to use their chargers.
No. With my Bolt, I charge at home and occasionally use a public charger which is not free. My home charger costs about $1.00 per day in usage.

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Old 02-07-2019, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Tesla charges the owners of Tesla's to charge their Tesla's at a Tesla Supercharger. Tesla recently raised the rate to $0.28 per kilowatt hour but then lowered it to $0.26 per kilowatt hour when the "poor" Tesla owners raised hell over the increase in price. Tesla also charges $0.40 a minute if you do not unplug your Tesla and free up the charger for another Tesla owner to use, after 5 minutes of completion of the charge has gone by.

So, you drop your wife and two kids off at a restaurant, then drive a mile so you can plug your wonderful Tesla into the Supercharger, then walk the mile to a restaurant to have lunch with your family(who have been waiting for you to show up), and when the charge of your Tesla is complete, you have to get up in the middle of your meal, walk a mile and move your car and then drive that mile back to the restaurant so you can finish your now cold meal(that was hot when you left to get your Tesla). So convientant in 2019 when it's snowing and 10 degrees.

How about the Bolt and the Leaf. Does GM and Nissan have free fast chargers all over the US for them? You can't charge them at a Tesla Supercharger, so you have to use someone else's charger, that charges a fee to cover their expenses and make a profit. Electrify America charges $0.30 to $O.35 per kilowatt hour to use their chargers.

Joesc5, you are amazing. Your lack of knowledge about Teslas continues to amaze me. Up until this year, all Tesla owners were given free charging for life. So your first sentence is BS. Dropping off your wife and walking one mile to a restaurant is another extreme BS statement. Most (I haven't been to them all) Tesla chargers are in larger shopping centers. Although I do admit that at one supercharger (that I used for free) my wife and I did have to walk about 30-40 yards to one of several restaurants. Did I mention that charging is free?

I'm amazed that in this post of yours you didn't drag out your old canard about gas stations everywhere and only taking 5 minutes to fill up with gas. Did I mention that Tesla chargers are almost everywhere and 30 minutes out of one's life is not the end of the world? Some people spend that much time in the john, or many other fun pursuits. Apparently, 30 minutes to you is a lifetime but then again look how old you are. It sure is a big chunk of your life. How long does it take to rotate your cars in your garage? I don't have to do that so obviously, you are a jerk for spending so much time doing it - using your logic. I guess you were never on the debate team; I forgot you went to a one-room schoolhouse. Discussions of specific things usually requires facts as opposed to opinions. Now you know.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead View Post
http://fortune.com/2019/02/07/electr...atteries-cold/

Electric Cars Really Do Hate the Winter, Says AAA Study

So do I.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:35 PM
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But they must be great in the hot summer with the A/C on full blast...
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:39 PM
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As we speak these are free up here walk by them everyday
why is that?

every where else new Tesla owners need to pay to charge?
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by USe-car View Post
Seems like the more that people write about disliking them, the more auto makers develop future models as electric. Most everything that I read is about converting to electric. All manufactures, all models. Both cars and trucks.
Ever heard of "government intervention"??

When I think of electric cars, I think of what I call the "Myrtle Beach Test". One of my buddies used to own a condo unit in North Myrtle Beach, SC. It was 825 miles from my house to that condo, and I rented it from him a number of times, over the years. And several times, over those years, I made the trip home, in one fell swoop. 825 miles, with a couple of stops primarily for gas, and a stop for some food and a "top off" of gas. Could I do that with an electric car???
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Originally Posted by NY09C6 View Post


why is that?

every where else new Tesla owners need to pay to charge?
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everything is free in canuckistan
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by USe-car View Post
Seems like the more that people write about disliking them, the more auto makers develop future models as electric. Most everything that I read is about converting to electric. All manufactures, all models. Both cars and trucks.
Read the articles on GM latest lay off and restructuring, the vast majority are talking about how they are diving head long into making cars that no one wants. Our government is subsidizing this bad behavior as well. This is just like forcing us to use water saving toilets only to find out they don't work for **** (literally and figuratively).

A friend of mine used to work for Smith which made electric trucks. Mainly utilities and such bought them. I think some .gov from Canadia bought some and returned them because the heater sucked and drained all the energy. Company is out of business now as far as I know.
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:13 PM
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Read the articles on GM latest lay off and restructuring, the vast majority are talking about how they are diving head long into making cars that no one wants.
Right - because a bunch of old geezer luddites on a message forum know more about what car buyers want than all the car manufacturers in the entire world, most of whom have been selling cars for 100 years.

Y'all can continue to keep your heads in the sand if you want, but the automotive future is gonna be EV and autonomous - and it'll be here faster than you can possibly imagine.

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Old 02-07-2019, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NY09C6 View Post


why is that?

every where else new Tesla owners need to pay to charge?
Originally Posted by Jughead View Post
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everything is free in canuckistan
http://1075koolfm.com/barrie-council...charger-offer/
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Goodness knows, I love my cars. But you must face up to reality, EV's are coming, they are the future and ICE vehicles will one day no longer be produced. It will certainly be some time before that happens (15-20 years?). But it's simply the way of things. Humans have been trying to improve the way energy is stored and released ever since they've been storing and releasing energy. This is just one of the logical next steps. Younger people simply aren't looking at automobiles the same way we did. Times change. They always have. And the older generations have always complained about it. I envy my Dad, at least he had "Matlock".
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 05c6silververt View Post
Goodness knows, I love my cars. But you must face up to reality, EV's are coming, they are the future and ICE vehicles will one day no longer be produced. It will certainly be some time before that happens (15-20 years?). But it's simply the way of things. Humans have been trying to improve the way energy is stored and released ever since they've been storing and releasing energy. This is just one of the logical next steps. Younger people simply aren't looking at automobiles the same way we did. Times change. They always have. And the older generations have always complained about it. I envy my Dad, at least he had "Matlock".
Until some pesky scientist one day says sitting on a lithium battery for hours shrinks your nuts.
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4 View Post
Ever heard of "government intervention"??

When I think of electric cars, I think of what I call the "Myrtle Beach Test". One of my buddies used to own a condo unit in North Myrtle Beach, SC. It was 825 miles from my house to that condo, and I rented it from him a number of times, over the years. And several times, over those years, I made the trip home, in one fell swoop. 825 miles, with a couple of stops primarily for gas, and a stop for some food and a "top off" of gas. Could I do that with an electric car???
You can do that now, but the trip will take longer. In the future, you will be able to do that. Apparently, an electric car is not for you. It is a fact that the vast majority of people don't go more than 100 miles/day and current technology covers that and then some.
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Originally Posted by scottycards View Post

Cold can completely kill an ICE battery, we've all experienced it. Not so much for an EV or a hybrid- the batteries don't particularly like the cold, but it won't kill the whole pack.
Except that EVs and hybrids also have a 12V car battery they need in order to start, so..... same thing.



Originally Posted by Slo Yelo C5 View Post
C5s sure seem to love ice cold temps. Mine runs like a champ when its <30F and starts to drag *** around 85F. Once it hits 95F, it's on the verge of overheating if driven more than 90 straight minutes.
There is something wrong with your cooling system. A C5 should run happily all day long through Death Valley at 120+ degrees.



Originally Posted by dvarapala View Post
Right - because a bunch of old geezer luddites on a message forum know more about what car buyers want than all the car manufacturers in the entire world, most of whom have been selling cars for 100 years.
None of those manufacturers had any interest in building electric cars until European countries like Germany enacted laws that completely outlaw the sale of gasoline and diesel powered cars in a few years. Their hands have been forced by government, not by consumer demand.
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Originally Posted by dvarapala View Post
Right - because a bunch of old geezer luddites on a message forum know more about what car buyers want than all the car manufacturers in the entire world, most of whom have been selling cars for 100 years.
Seems to me, it's us "old geezer luddities" that have the money that either buys cars that we like, or don't buy cars we don't like.....for the last 100 years!
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4 View Post
Seems to me, it's us "old geezer luddities" that have the money that either buys cars that we like, or don't buy cars we don't like.....for the last 100 years!
Well I sincerely hope they continue to make the kind of cars you like until you're too old to drive anymore. And once you're no longer capable of driving safely, you might start to like autonomous cars just a little bit more.

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None of those manufacturers had any interest in building electric cars until European countries like Germany enacted laws that completely outlaw the sale of gasoline and diesel powered cars in a few years. Their hands have been forced by government, not by consumer demand.
Even if that's 100% true, how does that explain the ongoing shift to EVs in the American market?
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Originally Posted by dvarapala View Post
Even if that's 100% true, how does that explain the ongoing shift to EVs in the American market?
There is no question government regulation in the US has pushed the gasoline car harder and harder and will likely continue to make things worse and worse for it in the future. From CAFE regulations that force large percentages of fleet sales to be EV, to forcing the purchase of carbon credits. Look at what the major US automakers have done. They have invested what is necessary in the technology to survive in a future where its impossible to sell internal combustion while at the same time doing the bare minimum to satisfy California requirements it terms of producing and marketing. Why? Is it because they hate profits or is it because they know there is no mass market for what can be produced right now? Bolts exist. If consumer demand is for EVs, where are the masses of people trying the buy them?

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Years ago, when some of the first EVs came onto the market, I remember seeing owners comment that their EV had become a summer car. It was to much of a hassle to drive in the winter. This is when ranges for EVs were shorter than is seen today.

I've been thinking of buying an all EV. Since I now live in Florida it would work well for me. If I was still living in the mid-west I don't know if I'd purchase one. Some of the longer range EVs would work well enough in cold climates for me, such as Tesla, but with driving distance lost in the cold it would be cause for concern.
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