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Old 02-11-2019, 11:57 PM
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This mod does not increase the horsepower! It totally makes the car feel instantly responsive and hitting the pedal harder does not offer the same linear response. The pedal has a lag in it that the device eliminates. I agree that flooring the pedal with and without the device will not increase your 0-60 times. I can only tell you that by driving the car with it on 5-7 setting and having it stock feels like two entirely different cars. I had my neighbor who is a car novice at best, drive it both ways and said Wow !!! For those who have used this device they get it! Check out the YouTube video of the guy who put in his Gen 6 SS on 7 setting. You may not get a bigger smile. Anyway, until you have driven a car with it installed stop trying to be a naysayer with formulas. Good luck . A V6 with 323 hp and this device made my RS feel incredible and like V8. Recall the 2008 mustang GT V8 was 300hp.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:04 AM
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Congrats, he explained it perfectly! Well done . Seeing and in this case feeling the effects is what matters most!!!
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:49 AM
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I'm giving you information about the device

Wrong. Nothing in either of those posts you quoted gave any information about the device.


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(1) don't knock it until you've tried it (which you haven't)

I'll knock if I want to. Anyone who thinks adding this to a V6 Camaro will make it feel like a V8 is a ******* moron and I'll knock them if I feel like like.



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(2) there are hundreds if not thousands of satisfied customers (they've even posted here),


Don't care. That only proves there are hundreds if not thousands of people who like a touchier throttle, nothing more.



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(3) there is measurable increase in throttle response.
Define, "throttle response." Because if you mean the throttle blade will open faster than is possible without the device, that is 100% false.


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And show me where I've made an incorrect claim.
Right here is an incorrect claim.

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This controller addressed an inherent throttle issue on the LS(3)


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The pedal has a lag in it that the device eliminates.
Bullshit. Why don't you try to explain how it does that? This should be hilarious.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:04 AM
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I am probably going to regret this, but...........
From the factory the relationship between the pedal and throttle plate is not linear, ie. depressing the pedal halfway (50%) does not equal 50% throttle opening. IIRC, it is more like 40%. Somewhere around 70-80% of the pedal travel the throttle catches up with the pedal. There are tables in one of the eleventy billion TC threads in the C6 section that illustrate the exact relationship. Why GM decided to do this comes down to emissions, driveability, liability, take your choice. Anyone who has driven any 80s-90s GM with a small V6 can relate to the overly sensitive tip in of the pedal, this is the direct opposite.
Any TC will not provide any performance gains at all, but it can make the pedal/throttle relationship more of a 1-1 ratio. I have heard from some automatic owners that say the TC improved the shifting behavior of their cars, but I have a stick so I cannot confirm this.
As we all know, opening the throttle blade 50% delivers far more than 50% of the available power at any given RPM. Opening it even 40% will deliver more than 50% of the available power. So GM's mapping will get the car closer than most cars to the linear delivery of power that is ideal for performance driving. Zero problems with that other than the fact that people are so used to driving throttles that are so heavily front loaded. It could only be related to emissions if the EPA test is performed by using a particular throttle angle or rate of throttle pedal change. I don't know ho their test is performed. If people want to buy this because they want a touchier throttle like they are used to, yes it will do the job. But that's all it will do. It will not make a V6 feel like a V8, nor will it eliminate any pedal lag.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:16 AM
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Wrong. Nothing in either of those posts you quoted gave any information about the device.





I'll knock if I want to. Anyone who thinks adding this to a V6 Camaro will make it feel like a V8 is a ******* moron and I'll knock them if I feel like like.







Don't care. That only proves there are hundreds if not thousands of people who like a touchier throttle, nothing more.





Define, "throttle response." Because if you mean the throttle blade will open faster than is possible without the device, that is 100% false.




Right here is an incorrect claim.







Bullshit. Why don't you try to explain how it does that? This should be hilarious.
UD should be up by lunchtime to formulate his retort.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:14 PM
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UD should be up by lunchtime to formulate his retort.
I wonder if he has ever admitted to being wrong is his life. Just like a female.....
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ptindall View Post
Wrong. Nothing in either of those posts you quoted gave any information about the device.

I'll knock if I want to. Anyone who thinks adding this to a V6 Camaro will make it feel like a V8 is a ******* moron and I'll knock them if I feel like like.

Don't care. That only proves there are hundreds if not thousands of people who like a touchier throttle, nothing more.


Define, "throttle response." Because if you mean the throttle blade will open faster than is possible without the device, that is 100% false.


Right here is an incorrect claim.

Bullshit. Why don't you try to explain how it does that? This should be hilarious.
Same responses apply.

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"Don't knock it" is an old saying about experiencing something before judging it and "I don't need to" is an ignorant response. Yes one needs to use this product on an LS3 to fully appreciate it.


Are you seriously asking what satisfied customers, a sustained positive forum reputation and successful sales proves? It's just about everything an entrepreneur can hope for, can you relate?

And I know exactly what this "widget" can do on an LS3 cause I've driven one with it. And no, I don't think it adds HP.


Maybe I'm oversimplifying it or not explaining it well but if you have to push the throttle less (than without the controller) to get to point a, then you should be able to measure that right?
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:29 PM
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UD should be up by lunchtime to formulate his retort.
You just punched out and gettin ready for jammy time right?
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:34 PM
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Don't care. That only proves there are hundreds if not thousands of people who like a touchier throttle, nothing more.
Same question to you (and any others).

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If you were thinking about spending $179 on a product would you rather see 50 reviews from smart engineers who haven't used the product or 50 from ordinary folk who have?
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:26 PM
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As we all know, opening the throttle blade 50% delivers far more than 50% of the available power at any given RPM. Opening it even 40% will deliver more than 50% of the available power. So GM's mapping will get the car closer than most cars to the linear delivery of power that is ideal for performance driving. Zero problems with that other than the fact that people are so used to driving throttles that are so heavily front loaded. It could only be related to emissions if the EPA test is performed by using a particular throttle angle or rate of throttle pedal change. I don't know ho their test is performed. If people want to buy this because they want a touchier throttle like they are used to, yes it will do the job. But that's all it will do. It will not make a V6 feel like a V8, nor will it eliminate any pedal lag.
It is not about making the throttle touchier, but making it more linear. If you over boost the pedal response the car becomes undriveable, the pedal functions like an on/off switch. I compared the relationship between the pedal and throttle before and after installing one and the TC definitely made that relationship almost a 1:1 ratio, unlike the stock setup.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The JOe View Post
Ive driven the V8 and it was ear to ear smiles but im considering the increase in price of insurance as well as re-sale value and if the market for v6's are considered "Soft" compared to the v8 counterpart.
You only live once, save a little longer and get the car that rocks your world. Wait 9 months and be thrilled every time you roll your new ride down the road. As you likely know, the 6 banger is going to just be a car with no thrill.
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